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Old 06-05-2023, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ReefingtheSail View Post
The MEC did see each section prior to the TA. When I spoke with my rep the week prior to the TA being announced, he said he had seen each of the TA'd sections. He also said we would not have industry leading payrates and many would not benefit from the retirement plan improvements. No B-fund additions, either.
That doesn't make sense your rep saw the payrates the week before the TA, since the NC was still bargaining and we were picketing. Unless your rep is on the NC (he isn't) then he doesn't know ****.
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Old 06-05-2023, 03:58 PM
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That doesn't make sense your rep saw the payrates the week before the TA, since the NC was still bargaining and we were picketing. Unless your rep is on the NC (he isn't) then he doesn't know ****.
I never said he saw the payrates. He said we won't be industry leading. He kept mentioning Delta's 767-300 rates and UPS. He said don't expect Delta's top end rates.
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Old 06-05-2023, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood View Post
So how much higher will we be than DAL 76-300/A300 rate? How much higher will we be compared to UPS rate? If we have the industries highest 76-300 and A300 isn’t that industry leading in those categories? Are you advocating that we do away with a single wide body pay rate so that we can go to a DAL style pay scale?
Delta A300s?
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Old 06-05-2023, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood View Post
So how much higher will we be than DAL 76-300/A300 rate? How much higher will we be compared to UPS rate? If we have the industries highest 76-300 and A300 isn’t that industry leading in those categories? Are you advocating that we do away with a single wide body pay rate so that we can go to a DAL style pay scale?
Listen buddy, I know you think everything should be a fight on here. I am not advocating anything at all. I am simply stating what I was told by one of our union reps. I don't care if you believe me or not, and I sure as hell hope he was lying through his teeth when he told us what he did. After our conversation, those of us that had this conversation left thinking there is no way this will pass. The rep is not my buddy, nor do I have any inside information that you couldn't get if you simply asked. He didn't tell me any numbers, and the response to many questions was that he couldn't get into it in depth. I don't know if we will be the highest paid A300 pilots and lowest 777 pilots or what. You know what I was told, so do with it what you want.
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Old 06-05-2023, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TomAce View Post
The no B fund improvements will be shocking based on other rumors I have repeatedly heard and the tone and messaging of PM on latest video update. I’m skeptical your rep shared all that info with you.
Your rep, isn't allowed to discuss any sections of the TA before they are presented to the MEC, so your info is pretty much false. Nice try on the fake news.
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Old 06-05-2023, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446 View Post
Its time to walk away from the, "line in the sand" mentality. The company can afford to pay the maximum IRS limit to the DB. We have been making record profits for the company while sitting in hotel prison for the last year and a half. Its time we reap the rewards. And who would give up a lifetime annuity that pays $230K per year, if the DB plan gets increased? With 9% B plan contributions, I'll have at least 4-5 mill in my 401k, thats 28yrs of contributions. Having a known DB plan lets me invest in more aggressive funds. But the Union wants to put our DB at the whim of the market?
What happened to you man? You've changed your tune a whole lot. I have to say I like this guy better.

Let's meet back here when this industry leading document is presented in all its glory.
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Old 06-05-2023, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood View Post
Typo AA A300 new rate. At DAL it would be in the same pay band as the 76-300. It’s the exact same pay rate as the DAL 76–300. $349.50 Max Capt Rate.

Lets say the rumors of 14% increases are used. We would have a $382 rate on those two aircraft. 8% higher than AA/DAL on equivalent aircraft if my math is correct. That would be by FAR industry leading on those aircraft correct?
AA doesn’t have A300’s or 767’s anymore. What is their 787 pay rate?
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Old 06-05-2023, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaman View Post
Yes I do. feels great to know you used one of your 20 posts to ask about my feelings.
Just wanted you to feel as “special” as you are. Let’s hope the contract is better than all the RUMORS. We will know for sure soon enough. Until then, stay classy San Diego.
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Old 06-05-2023, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ECCVref20 View Post
"Guys, stop being selfish! Settle for less now and keep your powder dry. You'll have your turn!" - Signed, A pilot who was gifted 5 extra years to work on their retirement...But didn't.

...We really are our own worst enemy.
Gifted you have to be kidding! How about gifted 250 plus over 60 guys coming back on top of you after the age change keeping you in the right seat for 5 more years. Most of us took 10 plus years to make widebody Captain. I in no way support leaving the junior guys behind or stuck with a bad contract but your comments are way off base for many of us!
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Old 06-05-2023, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood View Post
I hope we get a B plan increase but not a show stopper for me. Other airlines ONLY have one piece to improve retirement, which is why they must improve the B plan to get any larger retirement.

We have more than one piece in our retirement bucket. Im not hell bent on a B plan increase if we have a large A plan increase. Our company B plan contributions gets larger with increased pay rates.

If all we are worried about is a B plan increase then why have a 15 year fight about a big pension increase.
Please tell us what would be a show stopper for you since everything seems acceptable. You come across as a union apologist who is just urging to get a sit at the table. Probably just one of the too happy to be here coolaid drinkers.
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