Why is Billy Wilson muzzling the Block reps?
12-07-2023, 01:01 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Maddog64
He isn't stifling either side. Odell ran his communications thru the normal channels and had it looked at by legal. Turner couldn't wait for that and published his on Facebook.
12-07-2023, 01:09 PM
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[QUOTE=Rain maker;3733229]
you are proving my point..notice that WILSON is only stifling one side? O’Dell has been putting out absurd divisive crap for weeks and Wilson has done nothing. Now when all of it is brought to light, he suddenly wants to stop it. Where was his admonishing of O’Dell? Why hasn’t he chimed in on groups advocating for jumpseat wars? He’s been completely one sided.
What absurd devisive crap has odell been putting out?
Originally Posted by Stan446
you are proving my point..notice that WILSON is only stifling one side? O’Dell has been putting out absurd divisive crap for weeks and Wilson has done nothing. Now when all of it is brought to light, he suddenly wants to stop it. Where was his admonishing of O’Dell? Why hasn’t he chimed in on groups advocating for jumpseat wars? He’s been completely one sided.
12-07-2023, 06:25 PM
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[QUOTE=Rain maker;3733229]
you are proving my point..notice that WILSON is only stifling one side? O’Dell has been putting out absurd divisive crap for weeks and Wilson has done nothing. Now when all of it is brought to light, he suddenly wants to stop it. Where was his admonishing of O’Dell? Why hasn’t he chimed in on groups advocating for jumpseat wars? He’s been completely one sided.
Rainmaker not Stan said this
Originally Posted by Stan446
you are proving my point..notice that WILSON is only stifling one side? O’Dell has been putting out absurd divisive crap for weeks and Wilson has done nothing. Now when all of it is brought to light, he suddenly wants to stop it. Where was his admonishing of O’Dell? Why hasn’t he chimed in on groups advocating for jumpseat wars? He’s been completely one sided.
12-07-2023, 07:23 PM
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[QUOTE=Maddog64;3733378]
What absurd devisive crap has odell been putting out?
CT put out the FB post because PO was putting out comms to smear him. In the interest of transparency, he laid it all out there. Turns out the whole thing was just a misunderstanding of protocol. But PO was airing dirty laundry for the whole world to see. If he hadn’t been putting out comms, the FB post would have never occurred.
Originally Posted by Rain maker
What absurd devisive crap has odell been putting out?
12-07-2023, 09:28 PM
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Curious why such a heavy focus on the SM group, but no mention of the FFF group or even JF for that matter.
Full disclosure I was in JF, FFF and SM at one point....I assure you there is plenty of DIVISIVE RHETORIC in all 3.
I found it interesting that CT had such a similar interest in SM, but did not have the same focus on FFF?
Is it possible he was/is part of that group? Also curious....are you?
Full disclosure I was in JF, FFF and SM at one point....I assure you there is plenty of DIVISIVE RHETORIC in all 3.
I found it interesting that CT had such a similar interest in SM, but did not have the same focus on FFF?
Is it possible he was/is part of that group? Also curious....are you?
12-08-2023, 04:24 AM
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[QUOTE=NotMrNiceGuy;3733540]
CT put out the FB post because PO was putting out comms to smear him. In the interest of transparency, he laid it all out there. Turns out the whole thing was just a misunderstanding of protocol. But PO was airing dirty laundry for the whole world to see. If he hadn’t been putting out comms, the FB post would have never occurred.
So you only have to follow the rules when you're not feeling butt-hurt, offended or your undies aren't in a bunch. Gotcha... Bunch of 13-year old girls (apologies to the mature 13-year old girls out there).
Originally Posted by Maddog64
CT put out the FB post because PO was putting out comms to smear him. In the interest of transparency, he laid it all out there. Turns out the whole thing was just a misunderstanding of protocol. But PO was airing dirty laundry for the whole world to see. If he hadn’t been putting out comms, the FB post would have never occurred.
12-08-2023, 04:53 AM
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[QUOTE=Dave Behnke;3733600]
So you only have to follow the rules when you're not feeling butt-hurt, offended or your undies aren't in a bunch. Gotcha... Bunch of 13-year old girls (apologies to the mature 13-year old girls out there).
PO doesn’t follow the rules. Let’s not re-write history. PO intentionally violates the bylaws. There’s a difference between intentional violation and just making a procedural error.
Not to mention there’s no excuse for sowing division by airing dirty laundry.
There’s a difference between intentionally taking off without a clearance and reading back the wrong frequency.
Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy
So you only have to follow the rules when you're not feeling butt-hurt, offended or your undies aren't in a bunch. Gotcha... Bunch of 13-year old girls (apologies to the mature 13-year old girls out there).
Not to mention there’s no excuse for sowing division by airing dirty laundry.
There’s a difference between intentionally taking off without a clearance and reading back the wrong frequency.
Last edited by NotMrNiceGuy; 12-08-2023 at 05:14 AM.
12-08-2023, 06:36 AM
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[QUOTE=NotMrNiceGuy;3733602]
PO doesn’t follow the rules. Let’s not re-write history. PO intentionally violates the bylaws. There’s a difference between intentional violation and just making a procedural error.
Not to mention there’s no excuse for sowing division by airing dirty laundry.
There’s a difference between intentionally taking off without a clearance and reading back the wrong frequency.
As a Block Rep not running comm through the proper Union channels is a giant no-no and pretty freaking intuitive. Posting names and phone numbers on FB (public forum) that were taken from Company resources (private forum) should be enough to get one fired from one's job. Please feel free to list both the bylaws and the intentional violations of same the PO allegedly committed. Until then, it's just whining which does nothing to move the ball down the field.
How about you message me your real name and I go post all your information on FB because I'm butt-hurt? I'm guessing you probably wouldn't like it and I'm also guessing that mining others' personal information from Company resources and then using that information to dox people is an offense that is actionable with termination.
Originally Posted by Dave Behnke
PO doesn’t follow the rules. Let’s not re-write history. PO intentionally violates the bylaws. There’s a difference between intentional violation and just making a procedural error.
Not to mention there’s no excuse for sowing division by airing dirty laundry.
There’s a difference between intentionally taking off without a clearance and reading back the wrong frequency.
How about you message me your real name and I go post all your information on FB because I'm butt-hurt? I'm guessing you probably wouldn't like it and I'm also guessing that mining others' personal information from Company resources and then using that information to dox people is an offense that is actionable with termination.
12-08-2023, 07:00 AM
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[QUOTE=NotMrNiceGuy;3733602]
PO doesn’t follow the rules. Let’s not re-write history. PO intentionally violates the bylaws. There’s a difference between intentional violation and just making a procedural error.
Not to mention there’s no excuse for sowing division by airing dirty laundry.
There’s a difference between intentionally taking off without a clearance and reading back the wrong frequency.
Turner turned his manafesto into ALPA legal to be reviewed, so he new the rules. he just didn't wait for them to finish their work. I believe he also realized that ALPA legal was going to cut out all the names and screen shots and he couldn't accept that so he posted it on facebook.
So to use your analogy Turner took of and asked for clearance direct to Seattle. He was given clearance direct to Oklahoma City, once he crossed the Arkansas border he then turned direct to Seattle without getting a new clearance. Sounds pretty much like willful violation to me.
Every comm Odell has put out has been cleared by legal.
Originally Posted by Dave Behnke
PO doesn’t follow the rules. Let’s not re-write history. PO intentionally violates the bylaws. There’s a difference between intentional violation and just making a procedural error.
Not to mention there’s no excuse for sowing division by airing dirty laundry.
There’s a difference between intentionally taking off without a clearance and reading back the wrong frequency.
So to use your analogy Turner took of and asked for clearance direct to Seattle. He was given clearance direct to Oklahoma City, once he crossed the Arkansas border he then turned direct to Seattle without getting a new clearance. Sounds pretty much like willful violation to me.
Every comm Odell has put out has been cleared by legal.
12-08-2023, 07:48 AM
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I think it was bad form to make an FB post. Full stop.
As far as what PO has done contrary to the bylaws, I believe he intentionally neglected his duty to establish a proxy for a special meeting in order to delay union business. If that’s not true, I’ll accept it and eat crow.
As far as what PO has done contrary to the bylaws, I believe he intentionally neglected his duty to establish a proxy for a special meeting in order to delay union business. If that’s not true, I’ll accept it and eat crow.
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