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03-14-2025 | 10:37 AM
#112
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03-14-2025 | 11:02 AM
#113
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03-14-2025 | 11:29 AM
#114
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I don’t dismiss scope. If they are replacing 757 with a wet leased 757 or 777with a wet leased 777 then I have a problem. Also in violation of our domestic scope wet leased per the contract.
Don’t know how long you have here but if you want to make it to retirement you want FedEx to make good business decisions and be around .
If you were a commuter guy you obviously didn’t have a problem wet leasing yourself to the majors.
Don’t know how long you have here but if you want to make it to retirement you want FedEx to make good business decisions and be around .
If you were a commuter guy you obviously didn’t have a problem wet leasing yourself to the majors.
03-14-2025 | 12:02 PM
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03-14-2025 | 01:38 PM
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This is how our Brown Brothers have dealt with scope issues for overseas flying. It can be done.
"Adding to Paul's post, several important scope wins that our past negotiators secured include:
"The Company, its affiliates, the Association, and their successors agree, that in connection with any dispute before an arbitrator or in court, not to raise as a defense the non-applicability of the Railway Labor Act to international operations as defined in C. above or flights which originate or terminate in the United States."
That means they can't subcontract current IPA Europe flying, for example, by claiming the RLA doesn't apply there.
"At the Association's option, any grievance filed by the Association concerning the Company's subcontracting of work or the scope provisions of Article 1 will proceed directly to the arbitration within thirty (30) days of the filing."
That means scope disputes are resolved quickly, instead of the standard and lengthy grievance process (file, appeal, system board, etc).
As pointed out above, the arbitrator awarded substantial damages to the IPA in recent disputes. For example, when the Company tried to use a handful of subcontracted aircraft in violation of the scope clause, the arbitrator awarded the IPA $13. 9M in damages."
03-15-2025 | 03:36 AM
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Can you provide the source that will corroborate this information?
I know you've already read this from the Sea Lawyers thread since APC seems to be your only source of entertainment, but I'll put it here anyway and you just continue to choke on purple kool-aid despite facts.
__________________________________________________ ___________________________
This is how our Brown Brothers have dealt with scope issues for overseas flying. It can be done.
"Adding to Paul's post, several important scope wins that our past negotiators secured include:
"The Company, its affiliates, the Association, and their successors agree, that in connection with any dispute before an arbitrator or in court, not to raise as a defense the non-applicability of the Railway Labor Act to international operations as defined in C. above or flights which originate or terminate in the United States."
That means they can't subcontract current IPA Europe flying, for example, by claiming the RLA doesn't apply there.
"At the Association's option, any grievance filed by the Association concerning the Company's subcontracting of work or the scope provisions of Article 1 will proceed directly to the arbitration within thirty (30) days of the filing."
That means scope disputes are resolved quickly, instead of the standard and lengthy grievance process (file, appeal, system board, etc).
As pointed out above, the arbitrator awarded substantial damages to the IPA in recent disputes. For example, when the Company tried to use a handful of subcontracted aircraft in violation of the scope clause, the arbitrator awarded the IPA $13. 9M in damages."
__________________________________________________ ___________________________
This is how our Brown Brothers have dealt with scope issues for overseas flying. It can be done.
"Adding to Paul's post, several important scope wins that our past negotiators secured include:
"The Company, its affiliates, the Association, and their successors agree, that in connection with any dispute before an arbitrator or in court, not to raise as a defense the non-applicability of the Railway Labor Act to international operations as defined in C. above or flights which originate or terminate in the United States."
That means they can't subcontract current IPA Europe flying, for example, by claiming the RLA doesn't apply there.
"At the Association's option, any grievance filed by the Association concerning the Company's subcontracting of work or the scope provisions of Article 1 will proceed directly to the arbitration within thirty (30) days of the filing."
That means scope disputes are resolved quickly, instead of the standard and lengthy grievance process (file, appeal, system board, etc).
As pointed out above, the arbitrator awarded substantial damages to the IPA in recent disputes. For example, when the Company tried to use a handful of subcontracted aircraft in violation of the scope clause, the arbitrator awarded the IPA $13. 9M in damages."
03-15-2025 | 03:42 AM
#118
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Can you provide the source that will corroborate this information?
So why are there MorningStar 767's flying UPS freight in Europe? Doesn't UPS fly 767's? What did Fedex have to agree to for the EU to approve the purchase of TNT? What are the details of the case the OP is talking about? $13.9 million is really that much compared to our 2022 and 2023 wetlease penalty payments.
So why are there MorningStar 767's flying UPS freight in Europe? Doesn't UPS fly 767's? What did Fedex have to agree to for the EU to approve the purchase of TNT? What are the details of the case the OP is talking about? $13.9 million is really that much compared to our 2022 and 2023 wetlease penalty payments.
UPS must have been wet leasing like nobody’s business because like mentioned above there are at least 15 Morningstar 767 on their CGN ramp during their night sort. Guess UPS awesome scooe isn’t as awesome as you think
03-15-2025 | 03:54 AM
#119
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Originally Posted by JustInFacts
So why are there MorningStar 767's flying UPS freight in Europe?
Doesn't UPS fly 767's?
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