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Old 08-13-2015, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok View Post
Rock, I agree with you, but only to a point, because sometimes the best offense is being offensive. Ask yourself how the "not being offensive" strategy has worked, or not, in the recent past relative to FedEx negotiations.
Being "offensive" is the negotiating committee's responsibility not the individual pilots. Being "offensive" as an individual can get you time off without pay!
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Old 08-13-2015, 03:53 AM
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One of the main points made by the ALPA lawyer yesterday was to watch what you post on social media so as no to become a hostage.

He also made it quite clear that catchy names and cute avitars on APC do not hide your identity.
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Old 08-13-2015, 07:17 AM
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Good, I hope they're paying attention to social media and realize we're ****ed off and tired of the foot dragging.
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Old 08-13-2015, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
This implies that the first TA will always be the best TA? I don't think that has to hold.
I'm not clear how you got that implication from my post. Of course the first TA should be one that would receive overwhelming approval. And that first TA should have been concluded long ago. I'm pointing to one possible game plan that would see "due process" drag our current negotiations unfinished until after peak.
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Good, I hope they're paying attention to social media and realize we're ****ed off and tired of the foot dragging.
I wasn't here for the Red Letter Days, 1998 deals, etc, as I was a postal wave guy. I have never seen such frustration, angst, and "...don't give a $hit..." since I've been here. That gives me mixed emotions.

On the good side--it makes me think we will get a deal. I like that.

On the bad side--how much damage has to occur to a company before they fix things? I had SLF cancelled for a plane strike--on a brand new 767. I saw the picture of the MD11 on its tail. YGTBFSM. I thought we figured out how to prevent that in 1995. How many diverts, service failures, and bad will are we going to generate to save a nickel here and there? I want a contract. I want a good one. I also want a retirement one day and to work for the best company in the world in overnight delivery and world-wide logistics. A dozen years ago I was confident about my future. Today? Well....I think I can make retirement. Do I want my daughter to one day work here? I don't know.

To the management lurkers: Contract blah blah blah contract. You know what you need to do. Do it. What I ask is when this storm is over--invest some skin in the game and fix this ship. You have over 4000 of the most loyal, kool aid drinking team players you could ever want. Treat your line mx and ramps folks with respect, and give them the resources they need. Develop the spine to worry more about doing the job with your eye on the 5 and 10 year vision and not just the quarterly or annual fiscal targets. Nobody wants to sign up to fly for a second rate outfit. Your employees want to work for the best in the business. Take care of business. You had a chance to work behind the scenes and get a fair contract 2 years ago, and you blew it. I put personal credibility and skin in the game saying I thought it was good idea, and I got burned. I am beyond that. But you need to fix this company. Buy some sims. Don't just give safety lip service, but let's decide we will never have another major mishap at FedEx and provide the training to make sure we make good on that pledge. Put some ramp supervisors on the line. Plane strikes and rampers getting killed on the ramp are symptoms of a greater problem. Invest in your people. Shareholders want you to succeed, but so do the people who make all of this possible...both in and out of the cockpit. I am going to be fine....I'll retire out of here in 5, 10, or 15 years and be okay. But we've got sons and daughters who grew up admiring FedEx, and now want to be part of the next generation of Purple. Your actions over the next few months will be a big part of whether we encourage them to come here or if we tell them our best days are over. Personally, I hope we have a lot of good days ahead of us...but the ball is in your court.
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Old 08-13-2015, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts View Post
Being "offensive" is the negotiating committee's responsibility not the individual pilots. Being "offensive" as an individual can get you time off without pay!
Agreed. I wasn't talking about the pilots as individuals, but about the NC and the FX ALPA elected representatives.
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Old 08-13-2015, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Albief15 View Post

To the management lurkers: Contract blah blah blah contract. You know what you need to do. Do it. What I ask is when this storm is over--invest some skin in the game and fix this ship. You have over 4000 of the most loyal, kool aid drinking team players you could ever want. Treat your line mx and ramps folks with respect, and give them the resources they need. Develop the spine to worry more about doing the job with your eye on the 5 and 10 year vision and not just the quarterly or annual fiscal targets. Nobody wants to sign up to fly for a second rate outfit. Your employees want to work for the best in the business. Take care of business. You had a chance to work behind the scenes and get a fair contract 2 years ago, and you blew it. I put personal credibility and skin in the game saying I thought it was good idea, and I got burned. I am beyond that. But you need to fix this company. Buy some sims. Don't just give safety lip service, but let's decide we will never have another major mishap at FedEx and provide the training to make sure we make good on that pledge. Put some ramp supervisors on the line. Plane strikes and rampers getting killed on the ramp are symptoms of a greater problem. Invest in your people. Shareholders want you to succeed, but so do the people who make all of this possible...both in and out of the cockpit. I am going to be fine....I'll retire out of here in 5, 10, or 15 years and be okay. But we've got sons and daughters who grew up admiring FedEx, and now want to be part of the next generation of Purple. Your actions over the next few months will be a big part of whether we encourage them to come here or if we tell them our best days are over. Personally, I hope we have a lot of good days ahead of us...but the ball is in your court.
Perfect. +1. 'nuff said
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Old 08-13-2015, 02:04 PM
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I wasn't here for the Red Letter Days, 1998 deals, etc, as I was a postal wave guy. I have never seen such frustration, angst, and "...don't give a $hit..." since I've been here. That gives me mixed emotions.

On the good side--it makes me think we will get a deal. I like that.

On the bad side--how much damage has to occur to a company before they fix things? I had SLF cancelled for a plane strike--on a brand new 767. I saw the picture of the MD11 on its tail. YGTBFSM. I thought we figured out how to prevent that in 1995. How many diverts, service failures, and bad will are we going to generate to save a nickel here and there? I want a contract. I want a good one. I also want a retirement one day and to work for the best company in the world in overnight delivery and world-wide logistics. A dozen years ago I was confident about my future. Today? Well....I think I can make retirement. Do I want my daughter to one day work here? I don't know.

To the management lurkers: Contract blah blah blah contract. You know what you need to do. Do it. What I ask is when this storm is over--invest some skin in the game and fix this ship. You have over 4000 of the most loyal, kool aid drinking team players you could ever want. Treat your line mx and ramps folks with respect, and give them the resources they need. Develop the spine to worry more about doing the job with your eye on the 5 and 10 year vision and not just the quarterly or annual fiscal targets. Nobody wants to sign up to fly for a second rate outfit. Your employees want to work for the best in the business. Take care of business. You had a chance to work behind the scenes and get a fair contract 2 years ago, and you blew it. I put personal credibility and skin in the game saying I thought it was good idea, and I got burned. I am beyond that. But you need to fix this company. Buy some sims. Don't just give safety lip service, but let's decide we will never have another major mishap at FedEx and provide the training to make sure we make good on that pledge. Put some ramp supervisors on the line. Plane strikes and rampers getting killed on the ramp are symptoms of a greater problem. Invest in your people. Shareholders want you to succeed, but so do the people who make all of this possible...both in and out of the cockpit. I am going to be fine....I'll retire out of here in 5, 10, or 15 years and be okay. But we've got sons and daughters who grew up admiring FedEx, and now want to be part of the next generation of Purple. Your actions over the next few months will be a big part of whether we encourage them to come here or if we tell them our best days are over. Personally, I hope we have a lot of good days ahead of us...but the ball is in your court.

I second that emotion. This is probably one of the, if not the best posts I have seen here on APC. I was here for the Red Letter days, the Yellow list, and when Federal Express was simply an amazing place to work. It used to be a passion. Now it's just a job. And what is incredible, is that it would take very little effort on the part of management, to make it an amazing place again. It's simply matter of doing the right thing.
I can't express in words, how much I miss flying for the old Federal Express Corporation.
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Old 08-13-2015, 03:33 PM
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I was here for the "Red Letters"and the "Parking Lot" deal; and even during those gut wrenching eras, the operation at "purple" was not as FUBARed as it is now! Several heads in senior managment did roll back then, but seems now that one individual in an executive position in Air Operations is bullet proof, and I hear he is being rewarded by moving on to another multi-billion dollar project.
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Old 08-13-2015, 03:45 PM
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Shack. The self-serving, short-sighted, incompetent people in current management are hurting our company and the shareholders. It's time to clean house, so we, the company and its loyal employees, have a path forward.
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