FDXLAG

Isnt this a grievance?

pilot141

Yeah it is. The company is saying the 757 to 767 training is a transition program and not a real training cycle, so the senior guy who watches new hires activate in front of him gets screwed.

Sluggo_63

Are you talking being awarded MEM 767FO on this (16-01) bid? Did you bid it on 15-01? Could you have held it then. As far as I can tell, there were a little more than 70 unfilled MEM 767FO slots on 15-01. That's what the new hires are filling. If you could have bid it on the last bid, and held it, I don't think you have a leg to stand on as far as POP goes. If you did bid it on 15-01 and are waiting for ITU and they're putting new hires into training, I'd think you were owed it.

CloudSailor

Thanks Sluggo. That explains it. I could've held it last time around, but didn't bid it. Might not bid it this time around either.

The grievance mentioned here is related to something else with the 75/76 isn't it?

DLax85

Funny, because our pay (upgrade, new hire, whatever) has never been based on how, when someone trains

Rather it's based on them "activating" in a particular seat

I don't care where, how, by what method they train current pilots or future pilots -- it's based on "activation"

If the company choses to "activate" a more junior pilot in a specific seat & domicile, previously awarded to a more senior pilot --- POP is due

It's always worked that way in every other jet at Fedex -- and still does, but now the company is trying to make up new terms because their 757/767 pipeline is jacked

ALPA lawyers --- focus on the word "activate"

This shouldn't be a hard one to win

(...yeah, yeah I know --- come on guys, say it)

memhubturn

You would think that but that is not how the company sees it. I am a MEM 75 FO...I bid MEM 76 during 15-01...I have a current bid award to it...but am not getting Passover despite the fact that guys junior to me have already activated into it. Why? Because I am waiting for 76 "differences training" not "initial training" and the company doesn't think that counts...even though there is no such thing as 76 "initial"...it is just 75 "initial" followed by 76 "differences". Those new hires should activate into the 75 after that training is complete and those 76 "differences" spots should all be filled by guys with a bid award to it. Or, do it the way it is being done but Passover should be paid.

It is as simple as this...my training is being delayed by junior guys filling 76 training opportunities and no Passover is being paid. Currently being grieved...hearing was last month and awaiting the next step.

memhubturn

Exactly...thanks for the input. This one seems cut and dry to me.

Not only that, the company puts out no info. Take the current bid. It would be nice to have something in the FCIF stating that if a 75 guy bids to the 76, Passover will not be paid and give their reason why.

BlackKnight

I wonder who/if/how they track that all the open slots from 15-01 that went unfilled are now complete? Guess we'd have to watch the numbers? As new hires sent to fill the open slots obviously wouldn't be listed on any of the 15-01 lists.

BlackKnight

Still never ceases to amaze me, as Tony has mentioned long ago, how much a company as large as Fedex nickel and dimes stuff. Not that POP is small potatoes; in the grand scheme of things it certainly won't break their bank and their interpretation of the CBA is suspect while our is certainly more straightforward, as has been said. On an extremely small scale, another example is refusing to pay the $8 shipping on a uniform item from an approved (mail order) vendor because shipping isn't a "uniform item". Never mind you can't get the "uniform item" without it being shipped, the company won't reimburse. I couldn't care less about 8 bucks, but the principal and lack of common sense interpretation doesn't increase good will, like they say they want to.

FDXLAG

Agree with everything you say, you would think from a safety and common sense point of view the company would want new hires spending at least a year in the 75 before going to the 76. Why make them consolidate on two different seats at the same time? Going back and forth between the aircraft is really not that big of a deal, but make it a night hubturn to SGF with 2 guys who haven't spent any significant time in a 75 and neither one has been in the jet for 120 days and you could be setting someone up.