Flexjet hiring ?
09-05-2017 | 04:03 PM
#521
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Look at both the Options and Flexjet pages on this site. The bases are the same for both sides now I believe. As for pay, you need to remember this is a "merged" CBA based on the Options contract, not a new JCBA. Management fought very hard for this, and while it is true the arbitrator may change pay somewhat, we will not have across the board raises. You should expect new hire pay to match the Options rates on this site. If there is improvement on that, well and good. But don't expect it. The quality of hotels is not what it was when we were Bombardier. We stay at a lot of Country Inn and Suites, Comfort Inns and Holiday Inn Expresses. Gone are the days of Hilton properties. Life on the road consists of 3-6 legs per days. 11 hours of duty is a spa day. On a 6 day rotation expect 5 days of 12+ hour duty and your long layover will be less than 12 hours. Even the good old boys are complaining about the duty days. Hopefully there will be some positive changes from this arbitration, but this is today's reality.
09-05-2017 | 04:35 PM
#522
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Look at both the Options and Flexjet pages on this site. The bases are the same for both sides now I believe. As for pay, you need to remember this is a "merged" CBA based on the Options contract, not a new JCBA. Management fought very hard for this, and while it is true the arbitrator may change pay somewhat, we will not have across the board raises. You should expect new hire pay to match the Options rates on this site. If there is improvement on that, well and good. But don't expect it. The quality of hotels is not what it was when we were Bombardier. We stay at a lot of Country Inn and Suites, Comfort Inns and Holiday Inn Expresses. Gone are the days of Hilton properties. Life on the road consists of 3-6 legs per days. 11 hours of duty is a spa day. On a 6 day rotation expect 5 days of 12+ hour duty and your long layover will be less than 12 hours. Even the good old boys are complaining about the duty days. Hopefully there will be some positive changes from this arbitration, but this is today's reality.
09-06-2017 | 08:35 PM
#526
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I'll give you a current unbiased answer of what it's like to work at Flexjet.
Schedule- There is a bidding system. You work on average 16 days per month. You can't always work less, but you can definitely work more then that it you want to. Your schedule is set in a row of days on and off, such as 4on 3off, 5on 3off, 6on 4off, or 8on, 6off. The good part about it is, your days off are your days off. The company will not bother you with pop up trips or anything like that.
Rotation- You will fly your ass off. I was averaging 700 hours per year. I don't know how they do it, but scheduling seems to fill up your duty day to the max with trips almost every day. You fly about 3-6 legs per day. So most days you work no less the 12 hours duty, then they give you min rest and repeat the process all over again. One or two days is fine, but it starts to get real old after three. There is no downtime at all. You fly all day, go to the hotel, sleep, wake up, fly all day… wash, rinse, repeat. At the end of most rotations, you are beat and glad to be going home.
Pay- Pay is ok. $63k is the base first year, but after bonuses/per diem/overtime, I made about $75k which is livable.
Domicile- You can live pretty much anywhere you want in the country as long as you are within a 2 hour drive of an airport with major airline service. So you probably won't have to move.
Hotels- Hotel quality has declined over the years. We used to stay at mostly Hilton properties, but now they prefer IHG for some reason. So a lot of holiday inns. The only time we get a decent hotel now is when the preferred ones are sold out.
Upgrades- From a new hires point of view, this place is looking like the next Netjets. In my opinion, I don't think new hires will upgrade for at least 8-10 years… and you are going to upgrade into a phenom. Most of the captains there still have a good 10-15 years before they retire. Even though the company is getting new aircraft, they are also getting rid of just as many old ones, so there is not really any “growth” or movement. If you want to upgrade sooner then that, your other option is to apply to be on an international team (G4/Global), but I hear a lot of those guys are leaving the program due to poor QOL.
Bottom line- This job feels like the closest thing to an airline in the 135 world. Basically all you do is show up, fly the plane, and go home. If you're sick or fatigued, you call in and they take you off the schedule, no questions asked. I should mention the training is very good also. All pilots are PIC typed. There was no training contract when I was hired. If that's what you're looking to do, then this place is for you.
I'll try to answer any other questions you have.
Schedule- There is a bidding system. You work on average 16 days per month. You can't always work less, but you can definitely work more then that it you want to. Your schedule is set in a row of days on and off, such as 4on 3off, 5on 3off, 6on 4off, or 8on, 6off. The good part about it is, your days off are your days off. The company will not bother you with pop up trips or anything like that.
Rotation- You will fly your ass off. I was averaging 700 hours per year. I don't know how they do it, but scheduling seems to fill up your duty day to the max with trips almost every day. You fly about 3-6 legs per day. So most days you work no less the 12 hours duty, then they give you min rest and repeat the process all over again. One or two days is fine, but it starts to get real old after three. There is no downtime at all. You fly all day, go to the hotel, sleep, wake up, fly all day… wash, rinse, repeat. At the end of most rotations, you are beat and glad to be going home.
Pay- Pay is ok. $63k is the base first year, but after bonuses/per diem/overtime, I made about $75k which is livable.
Domicile- You can live pretty much anywhere you want in the country as long as you are within a 2 hour drive of an airport with major airline service. So you probably won't have to move.
Hotels- Hotel quality has declined over the years. We used to stay at mostly Hilton properties, but now they prefer IHG for some reason. So a lot of holiday inns. The only time we get a decent hotel now is when the preferred ones are sold out.
Upgrades- From a new hires point of view, this place is looking like the next Netjets. In my opinion, I don't think new hires will upgrade for at least 8-10 years… and you are going to upgrade into a phenom. Most of the captains there still have a good 10-15 years before they retire. Even though the company is getting new aircraft, they are also getting rid of just as many old ones, so there is not really any “growth” or movement. If you want to upgrade sooner then that, your other option is to apply to be on an international team (G4/Global), but I hear a lot of those guys are leaving the program due to poor QOL.
Bottom line- This job feels like the closest thing to an airline in the 135 world. Basically all you do is show up, fly the plane, and go home. If you're sick or fatigued, you call in and they take you off the schedule, no questions asked. I should mention the training is very good also. All pilots are PIC typed. There was no training contract when I was hired. If that's what you're looking to do, then this place is for you.
I'll try to answer any other questions you have.
09-07-2017 | 03:23 AM
#527
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Our answers mesh pretty well up to the pay portion. I said I would update after the arbitration award comes out, but management proposed Options pay, not the $60k starting pay for Flexjet. I've actually read what they gave the arbitrator, and it is not Flexjet. It is Options pay. Other than that, you have it right.
09-07-2017 | 05:45 PM
#528
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I'll give you a current unbiased answer of what it's like to work at Flexjet.
Schedule- There is a bidding system. You work on average 16 days per month. You can't always work less, but you can definitely work more then that it you want to. Your schedule is set in a row of days on and off, such as 4on 3off, 5on 3off, 6on 4off, or 8on, 6off. The good part about it is, your days off are your days off. The company will not bother you with pop up trips or anything like that.
Rotation- You will fly your ass off. I was averaging 700 hours per year. I don't know how they do it, but scheduling seems to fill up your duty day to the max with trips almost every day. You fly about 3-6 legs per day. So most days you work no less the 12 hours duty, then they give you min rest and repeat the process all over again. One or two days is fine, but it starts to get real old after three. There is no downtime at all. You fly all day, go to the hotel, sleep, wake up, fly all day… wash, rinse, repeat. At the end of most rotations, you are beat and glad to be going home.
Pay- Pay is ok. $63k is the base first year, but after bonuses/per diem/overtime, I made about $75k which is livable.
Domicile- You can live pretty much anywhere you want in the country as long as you are within a 2 hour drive of an airport with major airline service. So you probably won't have to move.
Hotels- Hotel quality has declined over the years. We used to stay at mostly Hilton properties, but now they prefer IHG for some reason. So a lot of holiday inns. The only time we get a decent hotel now is when the preferred ones are sold out.
Upgrades- From a new hires point of view, this place is looking like the next Netjets. In my opinion, I don't think new hires will upgrade for at least 8-10 years… and you are going to upgrade into a phenom. Most of the captains there still have a good 10-15 years before they retire. Even though the company is getting new aircraft, they are also getting rid of just as many old ones, so there is not really any “growth” or movement. If you want to upgrade sooner then that, your other option is to apply to be on an international team (G4/Global), but I hear a lot of those guys are leaving the program due to poor QOL.
Bottom line- This job feels like the closest thing to an airline in the 135 world. Basically all you do is show up, fly the plane, and go home. If you're sick or fatigued, you call in and they take you off the schedule, no questions asked. I should mention the training is very good also. All pilots are PIC typed. There was no training contract when I was hired. If that's what you're looking to do, then this place is for you.
I'll try to answer any other questions you have.
Schedule- There is a bidding system. You work on average 16 days per month. You can't always work less, but you can definitely work more then that it you want to. Your schedule is set in a row of days on and off, such as 4on 3off, 5on 3off, 6on 4off, or 8on, 6off. The good part about it is, your days off are your days off. The company will not bother you with pop up trips or anything like that.
Rotation- You will fly your ass off. I was averaging 700 hours per year. I don't know how they do it, but scheduling seems to fill up your duty day to the max with trips almost every day. You fly about 3-6 legs per day. So most days you work no less the 12 hours duty, then they give you min rest and repeat the process all over again. One or two days is fine, but it starts to get real old after three. There is no downtime at all. You fly all day, go to the hotel, sleep, wake up, fly all day… wash, rinse, repeat. At the end of most rotations, you are beat and glad to be going home.
Pay- Pay is ok. $63k is the base first year, but after bonuses/per diem/overtime, I made about $75k which is livable.
Domicile- You can live pretty much anywhere you want in the country as long as you are within a 2 hour drive of an airport with major airline service. So you probably won't have to move.
Hotels- Hotel quality has declined over the years. We used to stay at mostly Hilton properties, but now they prefer IHG for some reason. So a lot of holiday inns. The only time we get a decent hotel now is when the preferred ones are sold out.
Upgrades- From a new hires point of view, this place is looking like the next Netjets. In my opinion, I don't think new hires will upgrade for at least 8-10 years… and you are going to upgrade into a phenom. Most of the captains there still have a good 10-15 years before they retire. Even though the company is getting new aircraft, they are also getting rid of just as many old ones, so there is not really any “growth” or movement. If you want to upgrade sooner then that, your other option is to apply to be on an international team (G4/Global), but I hear a lot of those guys are leaving the program due to poor QOL.
Bottom line- This job feels like the closest thing to an airline in the 135 world. Basically all you do is show up, fly the plane, and go home. If you're sick or fatigued, you call in and they take you off the schedule, no questions asked. I should mention the training is very good also. All pilots are PIC typed. There was no training contract when I was hired. If that's what you're looking to do, then this place is for you.
I'll try to answer any other questions you have.
09-12-2017 | 04:35 PM
#529
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I'm not sure why they are pursuing this route. Even with their loathing of the union, they seem to be setting up a long term problem. But it is possible that they do not intend to be long term players. Management here are a group of friends from college. They are mid fifties, so they maybe looking to run out their clock and bail. It's a mystery to me...
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