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Old 03-14-2020, 08:03 AM   #11  
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JetBlue's gateway select ab initio program application window is open. You can apply there. The training is with CAE.

http://pilots.jetblue.com/gateway-select
Will check it out. Woke up 2nd time this morning saw this: https://lufthansa-aviation-training-usa.com/united-cpp/?gclid=CjwKCAjwgbLzBRBsEiwAXVIygAHgor7AClfKlY97VEd 4VoJLiEBGrOwrcmxzsRIW4liENZhZiaSJ0hoCBEIQAvD_BwE

Seems like Lufthansa Flight Training offering an program similar to Envoy to flow to United.
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I'm just gonna go ahead and apply to all three cadet programs. All of them inc. ATP and LIFT are around $100K. Why not try for one that is backed by a major or LCC and at least promises a FO job at their airline.
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Will check it out. Woke up 2nd time this morning saw this: https://lufthansa-aviation-training-usa.com/united-cpp/?gclid=CjwKCAjwgbLzBRBsEiwAXVIygAHgor7AClfKlY97VEd 4VoJLiEBGrOwrcmxzsRIW4liENZhZiaSJ0hoCBEIQAvD_BwE

Seems like Lufthansa Flight Training offering an program similar to Envoy to flow to United.
United's Aviate is nothing like an AA wholly owned flow.
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IF ANYONE KNOWS ANY OTHER REPUTABLE 0-HERO PROGRAMS PLEASE DO TELL ME.
JetBlue Gateway Select and Southwest 225 both use CAE in Mesa, Arizona for training. It is about a year and a half long 141 ab initio program.

ATP is starting a new program with Frontier. Currently only select CFI's are eligible but will be expanding on it soon.

Westwind Flight School, also in Arizona was just purchased recently by United and they will be having a new program with them soon(or not if we enter into a zombie apocalypse).

LIFT, but I'm sure you have all the details you need. If taking out loans is the only way. This one is your best bet in my opinion. It is also the only one on the list that does not have an Arizona location.

Lufthansa just had an accident with one of their planes two weeks ago. I believe it was a mechanical error instead of pilot error, but just something to keep in mind.

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JetBlue Gateway Select and Southwest 225 both use CAE in Mesa, Arizona for training. It is about a year and a half long 141 ab initio program.

ATP is starting a new program with Frontier. Currently only select CFI's are eligible but will be expanding on it soon.

Westwind Flight School, also in Arizona was just purchased recently by United and they will be having a new program with them soon(or not if we enter into a zombie apocalypse).

LIFT, but I'm sure you have all the details you need. If taking out loans is the only way. This one is your best bet in my opinion. It is also the only one on the list that does not have an Arizona location.

Lufthansa just had an accident with one of their planes two weeks ago. I believe it was a mechanical error instead of pilot error, but just something to keep in mind.

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Out of all listed, isn't the Southwest 225 program the best fit?? I say that because it's one of the only few programs that is actually direct with the airline?
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Destination 225 is only the best fit if you want you're whole career at Southwest. I personally would not have you're whole career revolve around 1 company if you haven't even started you're training. You will have he most options with ATP, but still plenty options with Republic and it will be less of a loan with LIFT. You end up taking 3 steps forward and 2 steps back by thinking you can bypass regional experience with the JetBlue and Southwest program.

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JetBlue Gateway Select and Southwest 225 both use CAE in Mesa, Arizona for training. It is about a year and a half long 141 ab initio program.

ATP is starting a new program with Frontier. Currently only select CFI's are eligible but will be expanding on it soon.

Westwind Flight School, also in Arizona was just purchased recently by United and they will be having a new program with them soon(or not if we enter into a zombie apocalypse).

LIFT, but I'm sure you have all the details you need. If taking out loans is the only way. This one is your best bet in my opinion. It is also the only one on the list that does not have an Arizona location.

Lufthansa just had an accident with one of their planes two weeks ago. I believe it was a mechanical error instead of pilot error, but just something to keep in mind.

Hope that helps.
Could you expand further on the Jetblue program. Any inside info??

Do you recommend Arizona? Why not?

Is CAE a bad school??Inside info??

Jetblue says 3 1/2 years to complete the program. So 3and half years to be hired by Jetblue?? Or to get to 1500 hrs??
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How do you think the corona-panic will influence the pilot shortage and pilot demand?
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Could you expand further on the Jetblue program. Any inside info??

Do you recommend Arizona? Why not?

Is CAE a bad school??Inside info??

Jetblue says 3 1/2 years to complete the program. So 3and half years to be hired by Jetblue?? Or to get to 1500 hrs??
You get hired by JetBlue at 1500hrs, the FAA requirement for ATP min. 3 1/2 years is how it long it takes to reach 1500 with training and instructing.

There is a selection process that includes an assessment plus a series of interviews. Would you potentially stay with JB your whole career or use it as a stepping stone for a big 3 legacy or purple/brown?
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You get hired by JetBlue at 1500hrs, the FAA requirement for ATP min. 3 1/2 years is how it long it takes to reach 1500 with training and instructing.

There is a selection process that includes an assessment plus a series of interviews. Would you potentially stay with JB your whole career or use it as a stepping stone for a big 3 legacy or purple/brown?
I'd say gold standard for me would be the majors or Purple/Brown
Followed by LCCs
Then AIMC carriers like Kalitta, Cargolux, DHL etc
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