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Old 01-16-2019, 03:48 PM
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What are Norwegian's other pilot bases? Which ones will stay open?
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Old 01-16-2019, 04:10 PM
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Announced this afternoon. Most short haul pilot bases in Spain, FCO short haul base, the SWF and PVD 737 bases all closed. Long haul pilot bases in FLL, BKK, and AMS closed as well. The company says most affected crew will be offered transfers to other bases, or to the 787 operation. There will be a reduction in 737 operations, but the 787 operation will continue to expand. No word on if the U.S. based pilots will have other opportunities. Cabin crew bases in JFK, LAX, and FLL are unaffected. This is pouring gasoline on the fire regarding the IAG rumors. It has long been speculated that these are changes requested by IAG as part of the purchase deal.
"Norwegian says the news has already been shared with its employees and unions. Job transfers to bases in Oslo, Stockholm and Madrid have been offered, as well as opportunities on the airline’s Dreamliner fleet including at New York JFK. "


Sounds like the SWF and PVD crews may have an option at JFK?
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Old 01-16-2019, 04:22 PM
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Wouldn’t bet the farm on your opinion sailingfun... Many of my colleagues, former expats, have been, to use your term “SNAPPED”, are with DAL, AA, SW, AK, UAL... the list, and start dates goes on.
These are not expats. They are pilots working in the US. Keep in mind most airlines have pilots involved in the selection process. Delta uses many line pilots.
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:26 PM
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These are not expats. They are pilots working in the US.
Negative. Regardless of their nominated base, they are “expats”. They are employed and compensated by a foreign entity. They have to obtain a validation, limited in time, on their FAA certificates.

The “Physical Presense Test”, used in determining excluded income earned abroad is clearly an issue for an expat working for a forien entity, who is U.S. based.

Under the physical presence test, a 12-month period can be any period of 12 consecutive months that includes 330 full days. If you qualify under the physical presence test for part of a year, it is important to carefully choose the 12 month period that will allow the maximum exclusion for that year.

This is a reason for many not taking the job with PVD SWF of FLL base. A validation is worthless any place other than the country of issue. The validation is valid for the carrier specific only. No on the other hand, a full EASA ATPL does have value if employment is sort for in countries where an FAA certificate is not accepted.

Keep in mind most airlines have pilots involved in the selection process. Delta uses many line pilots.
And your point? Are you suggesting that expats are are black balled from Delta? You are gravely mistaken.

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Old 01-16-2019, 10:21 PM
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"Norwegian says the news has already been shared with its employees and unions. Job transfers to bases in Oslo, Stockholm and Madrid have been offered, as well as opportunities on the airline’s Dreamliner fleet including at New York JFK. "


Sounds like the SWF and PVD crews may have an option at JFK?
JFK is only a cabin crew base, not a pilot base. There will be no U.S. based pilots as a result of this, not on the 787 or 737. JFK, LAX, and FLL will remain as cabin crew bases according to what I have heard and read. Word this morning is that the pilots have been told March 31 will be their last day. Apparently many for of the 787 crews based in FLL who came on an FAA license have never seen the inside of the airplane. Supposedly there have been all sorts of issues with getting an EASA validation and some of them have been sitting around, collecting a paycheck, for over a year. I am not sure if all U.S. based pilots are losing their jobs, or just the ones who do not have EU/EEA/CH citizenship and an EASA license. Apparently many who chose U.S. bases were European pilots who had dual US/EU citizenship, were married to Americans, or had a green card from another source. I did hear the FLL base chief was a Norwegian guy who is married to an American. Not sure if people like him will have the options to head to a European base. But all of the Americans are definitely out of a job on March 31.
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Originally Posted by captjns View Post
Negative. Regardless of their nominated base, they are “expats”. They are employed and compensated by a foreign entity. They have to obtain a validation, limited in time, on their FAA certificates.

The “Physical Presense Test”, used in determining excluded income earned abroad is clearly an issue for an expat working for a forien entity, who is U.S. based.

Under the physical presence test, a 12-month period can be any period of 12 consecutive months that includes 330 full days. If you qualify under the physical presence test for part of a year, it is important to carefully choose the 12 month period that will allow the maximum exclusion for that year.

This is a reason for many not taking the job with PVD SWF of FLL base. A validation is worthless any place other than the country of issue. The validation is valid for the carrier specific only. No on the other hand, a full EASA ATPL does have value if employment is sort for in countries where an FAA certificate is not accepted.

And your point? Are you suggesting that expats are are black balled from Delta? You are gravely mistaken.
You keep lumping US pilots based in the US working for Norwegian with true expats who work for overseas operations. That is where you are mistaken. Delta likes expats. They bring a wealth of experience and knowledge to the airline. US based Norwegian pilots not so much!
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Delta likes expats. They bring a wealth of experience and knowledge to the airline. US based Norwegian pilots not so much!
............filler.......
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Based on past history, they will have no issues.
How many EAL scabs got through the filter to a legacy? The Norwegian pilots are looked upon the same way. Like it or not the word has been out for a long time and there are too many other candidates to hire that aren’t from Norwegian.

They won’t be told they are not being hired because they are from Norwegian, they just won’t be hired.
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How many EAL scabs got through the filter to a legacy? The Norwegian pilots are looked upon the same way. Like it or not the word has been out for a long time and there are too many other candidates to hire that aren’t from Norwegian.

They won’t be told they are not being hired because they are from Norwegian, they just won’t be hired.
Lol........
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Norwegian Pilots are not scabs. Unless there was a strike and a picket fence was crossed, no point in misusing the word scab.
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