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Well... not necessarily true Grumble. There are late fifties and older expats who wanted to return to the US. They were not ready to retire. And of course, due to seniority, they’d probably never upgrade prior to reaching retirement. Other than limited ACMIs, NAI was a viable DEC for those not ready to hang up the goggles.
#33
Wait, you actually want some evidence of those claims?! How dare you counter vitriolic rhetoric with a request for simple evidence of its truthfulness!
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#36
They would not need to upgrade. They would make more in the right seat of a legacy than the left seat at NAI.
#37
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You’re missing the point... After many years in seat 1L-W... would you want to downgrade? After 35 years in the industry, would you want to be number gazillion on the seniority list??? Would you want to sit reserve in NYC, ORD, of BOS in the winter in a crash pad? Its not always about $$$ 2Stg.
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#39
Freedom Air and GoJet guys have had no issues getting hired. I know four former Freedom Air guys who had zero issues getting hired by legacy/major/major cargo airlines. Two are at FedEx, one at Delta and one is at Southwest. Freedom Air never was brought up in their interviews. I personally know a former GoJet guy at United, and have two friends of friends who are former GoJet guys, one is at UPS and the other is at American. Again, their association with GoJet never came up during their interview process. Overwhelmingly people have forgotten about FreedomAir and GoJet and why they are supposed to hate them.
There was a point in time where Southwest was the irreverent upstart in the industry. People who could not get real jobs went to Southwest. The industry fought against them for decades. Now they are one of the most desirable carriers to work for.
When UPS first started, their seniority list was filled with ex-cargo guys who could not land a job at a "real" airline. Their pay was terrible and it was seen as a dead end job. Now UPS is one of the most prized jobs in the industry.
Continental was filled with real, honest to goodness, on the "Jumpseat Protection List" ALPA scabs. When ALPA felt they could land the Continental pilot group, and secure a lot more money, ALPA officially forgave the scabs and welcomed them back into the fold with open arms.
When Virgin America started, it was fought against by the industry and all the unions. The pilots who went there were the guys who could not get hired at a legacy airline. They would be blacklisted and never get a real job. Now all those guys are ALPA members in good standing an flying for a legacy airline.
Do you need more examples? Okay, here is another: PeoplExpress was considered a bottom feeder airline. Pilots were paid worse and even had to help clean the cabin. You went to PeoplExpress because you could not find a job at any good airline. The guys who went there retired from Continental and United, or are the senior guys at United today.
The history shows quite clearly that unless you are an honest to goodness, legitimate scab, flying for a certain "bad" company will not make much of a difference down the road. And even if you are a real life, legitimate scab, there is a precedent for ALPA forgiving you and/or flying for a legacy airline. Let's not forget that legacy United also had a huge number of scabs as well.
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The history shows quite clearly that unless you are an honest to goodness, legitimate scab, flying for a certain "bad" company will not make much of a difference down the road. And even if you are a real life, legitimate scab, there is a precedent for ALPA forgiving you and/or flying for a legacy airline. Let's not forget that legacy United also had a huge number of scabs as well.
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