Emirates road show in the USA!
#11
Hi!
They were paid and schd for about 70 hrs a month, and over that was overtime. Now they can be schd for 92? 94? hours per month, and over THAT many hours is overtimes, so a big pay cut.
Capts who were leaving (I think 90 day is the min notification time), were being asked to delay their departure. If you delayed your departure, EK was paying them extra money to fly, and where letting them hand-pick their destinations and schedules. So, the Capts leaving were getting something like 1.5x pay, with the very best schedules...no overnights, trips with more turn times, etc.
For the capts that stayed, that means they were getting even WORSE schedules than before!
cliff
LFW
They were paid and schd for about 70 hrs a month, and over that was overtime. Now they can be schd for 92? 94? hours per month, and over THAT many hours is overtimes, so a big pay cut.
Capts who were leaving (I think 90 day is the min notification time), were being asked to delay their departure. If you delayed your departure, EK was paying them extra money to fly, and where letting them hand-pick their destinations and schedules. So, the Capts leaving were getting something like 1.5x pay, with the very best schedules...no overnights, trips with more turn times, etc.
For the capts that stayed, that means they were getting even WORSE schedules than before!
cliff
LFW
#14
typical thread at pprune.org by current flyers for EK:
Your assumption of 80hours probably indicates that you have little idea of what is to come. Work on 95 minimum but then take away the following hidden charges.
Medical – yes you pay
Provident fund – yes you contribute and its compulsory
Telephone charges – outrageously expensive and is deducted from your pay
Fines for missed appointment at the clinic
Emirates national ID (compulsory and you pay)
Top up beer money at many destinations as allowances rarely cover proper meals let alone a few beers, in some places we get no allowances at all)
Very expensive visa charges for maids and helpers (don't need one, well lets see after you arrive when you misses has to spend 3 hours in traffic everyday taking kids to school and doing admin.)
As for the furloughed guy asking about EK it largely depends on if your prepared to jump the bond. If you think you may need to return to the UAE in the future then jumping the bond is probably not an option and you'll be stuck for 3 years, after that they have 3 years worth of your provident fund should you decide to walk without paying your bills
If you think your not likely to come back later you could give it a try, get the training, and experience, then if you don't like it take a page out of the emirates school of management and don't honor your contract, and do a runner.(like many have before you) .
To any prospective employee the following have been done to death so listen, learn, and don't ask about them later.
Don't come here expecting to get commuting rosters..its not going to happen,
Don't come here expecting to get off shore bases..its not going to happen,
Don't come here expecting to bid flights to get home..its not going to happen the bidding systems a joke,
Don't come here expecting to save money because there's no tax and everything is free and provided by the company..its not going to happen, as an FO with kids you'll barely make ends meet
Don't come here expecting to bid and fly long haul and get 18 days off a month..its not going to happen, they have bidding restrictions, and days off restrictions to make sure it doesn't happen.
Don't come here expecting to get use of the jump seat to get too or from home ..its not going to happen (crew are not permitted to use the jump seat for this purpose)
Don't come here expecting your contract not to change..it will change, and usually for the worse,
Don't come here talking about unions, associations and the like, you'll be on the first fight out of here,
Don't come here expecting to get your contracted 3 percent pay increment..we didn't get it last year, and its unlikely we'll get it this year.
Be aware that as far as the Arab locals here are concerned you are a slave just like the maids, drivers, ditch diggers, and ass wipers, who make up 97 percent of Dubai's population, and 83 percent of the UAEs, and if you are not prepared to accept that, don't come.
Your assumption of 80hours probably indicates that you have little idea of what is to come. Work on 95 minimum but then take away the following hidden charges.
Medical – yes you pay
Provident fund – yes you contribute and its compulsory
Telephone charges – outrageously expensive and is deducted from your pay
Fines for missed appointment at the clinic
Emirates national ID (compulsory and you pay)
Top up beer money at many destinations as allowances rarely cover proper meals let alone a few beers, in some places we get no allowances at all)
Very expensive visa charges for maids and helpers (don't need one, well lets see after you arrive when you misses has to spend 3 hours in traffic everyday taking kids to school and doing admin.)
As for the furloughed guy asking about EK it largely depends on if your prepared to jump the bond. If you think you may need to return to the UAE in the future then jumping the bond is probably not an option and you'll be stuck for 3 years, after that they have 3 years worth of your provident fund should you decide to walk without paying your bills
If you think your not likely to come back later you could give it a try, get the training, and experience, then if you don't like it take a page out of the emirates school of management and don't honor your contract, and do a runner.(like many have before you) .
To any prospective employee the following have been done to death so listen, learn, and don't ask about them later.
Don't come here expecting to get commuting rosters..its not going to happen,
Don't come here expecting to get off shore bases..its not going to happen,
Don't come here expecting to bid flights to get home..its not going to happen the bidding systems a joke,
Don't come here expecting to save money because there's no tax and everything is free and provided by the company..its not going to happen, as an FO with kids you'll barely make ends meet
Don't come here expecting to bid and fly long haul and get 18 days off a month..its not going to happen, they have bidding restrictions, and days off restrictions to make sure it doesn't happen.
Don't come here expecting to get use of the jump seat to get too or from home ..its not going to happen (crew are not permitted to use the jump seat for this purpose)
Don't come here expecting your contract not to change..it will change, and usually for the worse,
Don't come here talking about unions, associations and the like, you'll be on the first fight out of here,
Don't come here expecting to get your contracted 3 percent pay increment..we didn't get it last year, and its unlikely we'll get it this year.
Be aware that as far as the Arab locals here are concerned you are a slave just like the maids, drivers, ditch diggers, and ass wipers, who make up 97 percent of Dubai's population, and 83 percent of the UAEs, and if you are not prepared to accept that, don't come.
the girls seemed to like it..
By the way those road shows are a nothing more than information. Don't think you're going to hand your resume to a chief pilot. I went to one about 6 years ago, used my United miles to get there (ATL), what a waste of airline miles and time
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I think you should come to Europe really, since you have a great experience as F 16 and F 14, and you really had deserved a good position, I can fly occasionally it is enough for me. Emirates maybe they wont take anyone flying in Africa they need probably someone that is flying in US. Despite of all you have a common sense. I am following the politics for now a little bit, Africa maybe not already had lived there for so many years except for the wedddings of the cousins with the million, the parents had left Europe and setlled there cause there was nothing to do in Europe after..., but I like Europe and a castle. I like Europe cause it is my place and will be shortly there. Melu
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Emirates website yielded this (the info didn't paste well, you may just want to follow the link):
Information Sessions for experienced First Officers | Flight Deck Crew | Explore Our Careers | Emirates Group Careers Centre
USA
Houston12 July 2010
10.00amIntercontinental Houston
2222W. Loop-South
Houston
Texas
Miami13 July 2010
10.00amBaltmore Hotel
1200 Anastasia Avenue
Coral Gables
FL 33134
Memphis14 July 2010
10.00amHoliday Inn Select
Memphis Intl Airport
2240 Democrat Road
Memphis
TN 38132
New York16 July 2010
10.00amJolly Hotel
22 East 38th Street
New York
NY 10016
Chicago17 July 2010
10.00amHyatt Hotel
151 East Wacker Drive
Chicago, Illinois
60601
Denver18 July 2010
10.00amHyatt Hotel
650 15th Street
Denver, Colorado
80202
Los Angeles19 July 2010
12.00pmTorrance Marriott,
South Bay
3635 Fashion Way
Requirements:
To apply to Emirates, candidates must have a minimum of 4000 total and 2000 multi-engine jet hours; or a total of 2500 hours on a modern, commercial multi-engine, multi-crew jet aircraft, ICAO ATPL and ICAO English level (4 or above). We will provide candidates with a round trip ticket to Dubai from an Emirates destination to attend our Selection Programme.
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