dutchroller

That’s what I was thinking. Anyone know what the PIC-SIC ratio is there now?


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Blueridger

Lol. Beat me to it.

Blueridger

PIC ratio is roughly 68% of the list.

dutchroller

And, should the company not want to reduce attrition in the future, what level does the contract allow the ratios to be brought down to?


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Twofiddyatten

He’s doing more than pushing kool aid, he’s flat out lying and making things up as he goes along. Which wouldn’t be a big deal if he didn’t spin it like he is speaking on behalf of the company. I’m surprised management and NJASAP haven’t come to him AGAIN and put a muzzle on him. He was put on time out more than once, and it appears he is due for another rolled up newspaper slap to the nose and put in the kennel for a bit.

The facts are simple. There is not a deficit of captains, there’s an excess. There isn’t a backlog of training events and new hires aren’t getting class dates 6 months out because of a lack of sim space.

AQP is being brought on to keep people out on the line flying airplanes more. This has an OPPOSITE effect on hiring. If more pilots are available to fly, you don’t need to hire or upgrade. This is blatantly basic and simple in concept. These gratuitous upgrades will stop when the company reaches a large excess of captains and stagnation will recommence. There is still zero evidence of growth from a pilot hiring standpoint. Fleet increases have zero correlation to pilot hiring, and going AQP will free up bodies to fly those net growth airplanes. Hiring for attrition is exactly what the company is doing now, and what they will continue to do. It is what it is, it’s not a knock or dig on NJA, but it is important to make sure that people don’t listen to blatant lies.

Retractable

More upgrades byproduct of having excess simulator time available.

Look man... you’re not exactly the best one in the room working at Alaska airlines to speak about anything NetJets. I mean... your an airline guy, who used to work at a fractional for 2 years speaking as if he knows... well... anything really about fractional flying and NetJets specifically. The next “junior” person to you in 2015 had about 7-8 years on you “junior”.

I’d consider their opinions of happenings at NetJets long before yours having only had worked here for 2 years, if that long.

Consider the source.

NJA will continue to upgrade based on capacity to upgrade all legacy FOs and then into the group that was hired in 2015 and beyond.

That means YOU could have upgraded in on around the year 2021 most probably and had no commute to do so. No reserve once there.

But you left after two years of being here because your “promised” upgrade didn’t happen at that time. (Never mind NOBODY promised you that).

You made your choice. I hope ots good LONG TERM for you.

Alaska is looking pretty ripe for a merger next round. ALPA LPPs and MPPs.

You’ll definitely get to know about all those PPs.

Blueridger

Contractual minimum is 60:40 PIC:SIC.

Downgrading is messy and an expensive proposition to the company so yes, they can downgrade, but it would only be out of serious duress.

Retractable

To downgrade, we’re talking about a very large change of events that would need to occur.

And we’re talking about a major downturn in the economy happening... which it won’t. Trump and a DOW 30k will happen. The economy and growth based sales will continue.

We’re taking about older, senior guys not retiring... which they will. The statistical average age is 65 regardless of desire. It’s a medical thing.

Twofiddyatten

I don’t commute playboy. Never have. Also, a 2015 hire is NOT going to upgrade in 2021, stop spreading lies. They are flat out lies without even a shred of truth. You don’t even have your finger on the pulse of the company you’ve worked at going on 2 decades now, you certainly have no clue what the airline industry is doing, yet here you are commenting on it. 2015 new hires ARE NOT GOING TO UPGRADE IN 2021, PERIOD.


Its super cute how you think everyone commutes and they everyone is on reserve. You must be getting your info from the same place you pull your lies about NJA from. Both are utterly worthless and flat out damaging on public forums.

Blueridger

I agree with your post except for this part. I’m not a cheerleader like Retractable, but I’m also not a complete cynic who harbors nothing but animosity towards NJA management. The reality is the company WILL need to hire to fill the airframes on order. FDP has allowed the company to do more with less, but it is hitting critical mass at this stage. AQP will allow a small margin of extra productivity as well that may reduce the hiring footprint for a short while longer. That said, I would anticipate upgrade times to keep dropping over time, due in part to growth, and also to retirements that will peak in about 10 years. How this plays out ultimately, well... we shall see.