luke3

FWIW I went to 145 initial with the current GMJ chief pilot and he's a class act

DiveAndDrive

How does the pay work at XO? I’m looking at their website, and it seems convoluted and inflated with “recruiter math”. What can a person expect to make their first year?

chase

D&D

Good question. It does take a little insight so see if this helps.

XO is the first company I have worked for or know of that first year pay is based upon hours of experience.

From the APC page here is the explanation. XOJET Aviation First Officer Pay Scale

Base Pay Total Time


MEL/PIC/Turbine/Instrument

Tier 1 $75,000 3,500 1,500/1,500/1,500/150

Tier 2 $65,000 3,000 1,000/1,000/1,000/150

Tier 3 $60,000 2,500 500/500/500/150

Tier 4 $55,000 <2,500 500/500/100/150

ADDITIONAL EARNING OPPORTNITIES

• Extra Day Override - $1,200/day per PIC, $900/day per SIC
• Annual variable increase from 4%-10% of salary, based on performance and seniority
• 401K Maximum Match of $5K bested after 5 yrs. Your choice about where u want to invest
• Flexible Schedule Override - $16K/yr. for PIC; $12K/year for SIC

We did have a 20% reduction in total bonus this year. As a first year FO that amount to just under $2k.

Honestly I was surprised we got any bonus so very happy to have it.

This replaces the previous fuel savings program that favored X pilots over 300 pilots. Some were happy with the change, others not so.

Here is the full description on APC that I cut and pasted from.

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...xojet_aviation

DiveAndDrive

Thank you so much. This really helps clarify. I’m assuming you have to have all of the times in the different tiers in order to progress.

chase

Correct...all quals are required to move to higher Tier.

Upgrade to Capt is based upon meeting minimum hrs also so if one enters with just the mins, upgrade may occur for others hired at the same time or after you based upon meeting those minimum hrs...

BTW, I flew about 600 hrs my first year 07/19-07/20.

Upgrade is not by seniority but by CA recommendations, other job performance criteria...most upgrade when all the blocks are checked but no mandatory up or out upgrades. The APC info states upgrades at 12 months for the X, not the case now.

Too soon to for updated timeframe but expect less than 2 yrs conservatively, 18 months possible if more X’s are bought. Not sure for the 300 folks.

Peabody17

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The newest CL-30 Captain upgraded today, and was hired in March 2019. Its almost impossible to tell if that is indicative of future upgrades...too many variables right now. But at least it’s a benchmark. I agree with you that 18-24 months is realistic, and that could drop with new aircraft acquisitions...

DiveAndDrive

Thank you all. I really appreciate the info. Based on the formatting, I didn’t see the “total time” header. I thought the first column was ME. So I was scared. But I qualify for tier 2, so that’s good. Thanks again. Hopefully I (and anyone else who applied) hear something soon

chase

Great to see that email announcing the new CA...good on you for posting the hire date and agree the “new normal” of upgrades in any of the aircraft is difficult to predict.

Will see if my predictions work out but regardless very happy with the moves leadership is making to increase yields, increase utilization of fleet and hearing the demand for the product exceeds capacity which bodes well for convincing lenders in helping XO obtain more lift capacity.

Possibly more openings coming in the CL350 VJ fleet. When they are announced I will post the Jobvite link.

Avi8tor441

chase

Roomer is we are adding more challengers. Looking at 9 right now. One is replacing another and going to be vista-fied. The cost of the X is the thing. We pick them up cheap and make a good return on them. But for every 4 Ax’s we need 4 more to cover the AOG’s. As they slowly (very slowly) start phasing out the X I see the 350’s coming to XOAV due to Vista not flying anything older than 3 years. Again. This is all unsubstantiated, but what I see coming in the future.

shrsailplanes

Will XO look at an app with current 121 experience or do they see those candidates as high risk of leaving. I have my app in and have not heard a peep.

thanks.