Natca

Im sorry but I have to be that guy, if your worried about washing out from a PC12 gig as a captain then its probably not the right gig for you maybe? I mean its full flap landing speed is that of a 172.

Ulramar

Those who are/were getting callbacks, where were you at flight time wise?

Flyhayes

It was mentioned up thread that DEC's were having issues, and that a less than stellar sim might be contributing.
Being a DEC brings with it certain additional challenges as well, like not having the opportunity to gain the collective wisdom of a flight department before being put into the hot seat.
At a previous regional airline 60% of DEC's got washed out in IOE, and that's from people who have benefited from 121 training, many more than once.
In this industry you should ALWAYS be worried about washouts. Many good pilots have stalled their careers because of being washed out for one reason or another. Sometimes, it's even attributed by a poor culture from within the training department. Several airlines have even had the distinction of being known to purposely wash people out.

BaldEagleSq

I'm near IFR mins. The communication others have been receiving from HR falls in line with that I've been told as well.

MidnightHauler

Here we go again with blaming training departments for washing pilots out of training. Part of training's job is evaluating pilots and for those that don't meet the standards, THEY GET WASHED OUT. That's the way it's suppose to work. Be prepared, current, and proficient and there's no reason to wash out. Are the instructors d***heads? So what, as long as they're going by the book.
For the regionals washing out DECs, there's a far greater chance those candidates didn't meet the standards or flubbed up their orals or checkrides. It doesn't mean they're bad guys or pilots. However, it also doesn't mean that instructors are intentionally trying to fail pilots they need to hire. There is no incentive for that and DPEs have to explain in great detail (and paperwork) why pilots fail checkrides.
Bottom line, about 90% of the time, it's the pilot's fault for failing. Sadly, instead of learning from their mistakes and owning up to it, they choose to complain about the unfairness of the training department and how badly they were treated. Fact is, many of the washouts struggled early on in training, but managed to squeak by as first officers. When upgrade time came, they weren't ready.

Flyhayes

There is no blame being levied. I'm well aware of how a good flight training department is supposed to run, but that certainly isn't the case everywhere. Some of the lesser regional do carry a certain reputation, whether deserved or not it's hard to say. But knowing of any potential issues ahead of time would still be valuable, especially is there is a pattern for where the sticking point lays.
The 60% washout rate at the regional I was referencing occurred during IOE. Meaning that they had passed the check ride already, but not been signed off for the fed ride. This particular regional had developed some issues with mgmt trying to rush through an applicant in training because they were so short staffed. Many times they were offering TWICE the sim time to get them through. The instructors were by in large great people, but were ridden by the head of training (who had been hired from flight safety, without airline experience). It took our IOE Captains to put their foot down and save the company from themselves. In my time there, I saw a training department go from excellent to substandard luckily the company came to it's senses and put a much more qualified person in charge of the department.

tanker

There was a time that DECs (mainly retired 121 Captains) had a high washout rate. However in 2018 they changed the DEC program. Now you are hired and paid as a DEC but you are initially trained as a FO. You then get 3 rotations as an FO before you go into the normal upgrade process. This gives the DEC a chance to learn the aircraft and the work before having to check out as a Captain. This has greatly reduced the DEC washout rate. Now the majority of washouts are FOs in academic training or in the Mission Fit. Once they get to the sim at DFW very few washout.

Ulramar

Are they looking for everything in 135.243 or just the total time requirements? 500 XC is a challenge.

BaldEagleSq

I can't speak to exactly what they look for, but remember: §135.243 doesn't specify a distance for the use of the term cross country, meaning any point-to-point flight qualifies as cross-country time.

See §61.1(b) above.

JMO127

How much time do you have XC?

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