MCRN

Nail on head!

What's already happening at CAE and FSI is they are getting loads of cancellations from GA operators of all types. Some of these companies are also going to face the fact that as much as someone wants to work there, people are going to start voluntarily not coming to class vs. one having one postponed out from under them. I mean think about it? Airline, hotel room, uber/lyft in s major cities? You chance of exposure skyrockets. The prognostic outcome if you get the bug even if very positive if you aren't high risk for a severe case will not trump individual concern and fear.

I'll confess I have a class offer at the end of the month that I'm not likely to attend unless this miraculously changes course. Because at my age I feel its undue risk for me to travel. Not because I'm concerned with getting it, but because I have high concerns I'll wind up stuck in a major city possibly with no where to stay and no means of getting out or even quarantined.

That would suck big fat bovine testes.

And more to your point, who here hasn't picked up some crud from a sim before? Those things are incubation chambers for microbiological horribleness of all varieties!

Satirically speaking are they gonna have a NEST/CBNR defunking team disinfect them after each session? I dunno, maybe that's what they are doing but that won't stop infection in such close proximity to some carrying it. My pals all flying the line right now are all worried about where their cohort has been and with whom they've had contact.

I'm on the side of those screaming for the White House to just shut down everything except essential services for 30 days. More to save the economy than for any other reason. Strictly my opinion here but I'm of the view it's not very responsible for any operator to run a new hire class right now.

Tattooedaviator

Just got the email from XO recruiting saying they are postponing indoc and interviews and will reach out when they start back up.

Guard

I just got a phone call from Vista Jet side saying they are still moving forward for the 30th class indoctrination if we wanted to show, Plan on being in lock down though during the 10 days? so I was a bit surprised by the call.have not seen anything else.They were calling for doc's as late as last night?

MCRN

True. Though, how they intend to move forwards with that class with Broward and Miami-Dade counties going into lock-down mode isn't seemingly being thought about. How will XO ensure attendees will A: Have uninterrupted accommodations, or B: Meal availability for the duration? Answer: They can't!

I seriously doubt this class winds up going, but they've got 9 more days before those new hires have to head to the airport to fly down there. I'm guessing postponement is inevitable and probably coming before Wed of next week.

It's not just an FXE area logistics problem either, because on from there you've got the class going to 3 different aircraft type initials at 142 locations across the country and in some of those places getting a hotel room or a meal is already not happening.

Then there's the charter demand collapse that started yesterday, major ATC disruptions worsening and I'm hearing there are now FBOs not allowing crews to enter the building. Sustaining private passenger aviation operations on a scale of XO Jet is getting more and more difficult by the hour. We are a near certainty now heading towards a national airspace closure except critical flight ops, cargo and medical related flights. Just the sheer economic burden of continuing to operate is going to become too much for these hi overhead 91k and 135 companies.

By the end of next week the big wigs will be discussing furloughs if this doesn't turn around before then. I'll be happy to find out I'm wrong, but the chances this class happens is slim to none IMHO.

JMO127

You are so far off base it's not even funny. That's a COMPLETELY different picture than what's being said from the top down. Where do you get off being so negative? If you're unhappy be the first to relieve the company of your pain and struggle. (Insert southern belle fainting meme here) seriously, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? WHO TOUCHED YOU IN YOUR SPECIAL PLACE?

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MCRN

Nice professional post. Glad to see XO jet pilots are being so cool, calm and collected during this crisis. I'm sure most actually are and you're just a bad apple, understandable for some people to panic and react irrationally. I've got no issue with you disagreeing with my opinion. But why be so hostile about it? Have a nice day sir and stay safe.

JMO127

Not being hostile. Just stating facts. You're painting the picture that we are broke and shuttering the doors, pawning the planes and losing our jobs. Not exactly what COO is saying along the financials line and such as well as the FSF call yesterday in which the furloughwas specifically addressed. Provide the facts is all I'm saying.

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MCRN

Your post was hostile and you know it. Anyone with 3rd grade reading comprehension skills can see that. However, I don't take it personally. It's understandable, people are all on edge and reacting badly with very small things setting them off. These are unprecedented and trying times.

You don't know me and you clearly misunderstood my points of opinion which were never presented as facts.

Your interpretation isn't what I implied on any level. You grossly misinterpreted. Also, let's, for the sake of adult discussion, not refer to anyone's "opinion" as fact. You have yours, and I mine. I never stated anything as being other then that. Did I say this was an exclusive situation to XO Jet? No sir I did not. XO Jet is a fine operation and well respected by myself and in general. There was no attack there. Nor did I allude in any way shape or form to any analysis of XO Jet's core solvency. However, XO jet, Netjets, Flexjet, the airlines, all of them, none are immune to the fiscal realities of this pandemic. Demand in charter will not continue by any measure of rational predictability without an immediate about face nationally and globally regarding the spread of the virus.

This is simple economics. If, hypothetically, the airspace gets closed to non-critical pax ops how long do you believe your paycheck keeps coming with zero or heavily reduced revenue intake? Two weeks? Three? Four? One month? Practically every single air carrier certificate holder as of 3 weeks ago was in solid positive territory for a profitable year, now every one of them will very likely end 2020 with a loss. How long can Flex and NJ keep up supporting crew movement with their own aircraft? How will they be able to support RON operations with everything from hotel rooms to local transportation availability being substantially reduced? Their costs are skyrocketing as we speak and margins have blown thru the red line. I assure you that your company's leadership is at this very moment discussing contingencies leaving all options on the table up to and including a total shutdown, albeit a temporary one. They would be derelict in their fiduciary responsibilities if they weren't.

Charter demand is dumping as we speak and it's going to dump more. Simply for the fact that people with the financial resources to charter are running out of anywhere to go! The wealthy snowbirds are largely staying in place because they are high-risk age bracket and business travel is basically gone world-wide. The recent bump in 135 demand was driven by the jet set class all moving to where they want to be to wait this thing out.

The facts, since you want to talk facts, are that hotel and meal availability on the road is, in fact, becoming challenging and it's just begun. By virtue of being able to logistically support flight operations the larger carriers are going to face very painful decisions in the next week to ten days or so.

Now, if there is some miraculous reversal of the direction things are taking int the next 10 days or so, everything I've spoken of becomes obviously subject to having been happily inaccurate. For any pilot to believe that they're company (sans perhaps cargo only operators) will happily-go-luckily continue unabated through this crisis is suffering terminal nativity (generalized statement not directed at any individual). While total shut-down would only occur in an airspace closure for most companies, waves of furloughs washing thru 91k and charter is all, at this point, a forgone conclusion. They'll be short-lived probably, but unless this turns around soon it's going to be very hard for massive operations such as yours to even attempt to do business as usual.

fastback

How would you expect anything BUT a hostile response to what you wrote? Do you work at XOJet?


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MCRN

I wrote an opinion based on current events - that was an attack how exactly? At least we agree his post was hostile, something he thus far won't admit to. Hostile with intent I might add, vs mine being misunderstood as such which you are now seemingly guilty of as well. Is there any real reason to get so tussled up over this? It's honestly a little bizarre. It's a discussion. An opposing viewpoint isn't automatically an attack. Asserting I have some flaw and have been abused somehow (facetiously levied as it was) via caps was.

If you and the other gentlemen choose to take it personally and as an attack on your company then I can't help that. Digesting social media opinion objectively is a skill like any other. Many on this forum "read attack" into every post they read and spew it back out unjustifiably in every post they write. On a good day a message board is a virtual "blood sport."

But then again, we are in the middle of a Pandemic, so a little denial is understandable. It's a normal stress-anxiety reaction and everyone is on edge.

To answer your question, no I do not work at XO Jet. I was offered the position weeks ago and declined. That doesn't' make me special, all knowing or all seeing or having any interest on a personal level, at all, one way or another. It was an opinion based analysis. How exactly is that "hostile" or threatening to you or he?

I am nothing other then someone who doesn't work there with an opinion of how all charter companies will react in the face of this disaster. Everything I stated is equally likely, in my opinion, to happen to every GA air carrier certificate holder across the board. I have an interest in having an adult discussion. So instead of inferring attack that simply wasn't there, why not debate politely? Say you disagree then back up that view with your own analysis. Convince me I'm likely wrong in mine if you are so inclined. That's how this all is supposed to work, but perhaps I was aiming too high and being too hopeful of civility on APC.

The way this thread is now going I would imagine I'll be called a racist who's colluding with Russia next.