Search
Notices
Fractional NetJets, FlexJet, etc

Executive Airshare

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-03-2014, 04:54 AM
  #1151  
Gets Weekends Off
 
runsky42's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Upright
Posts: 120
Default

Originally Posted by bgmann View Post
You'll still complain at AA or DAL.

Junior. Reserve. Commute on planes who now have to be full to keep profit margins high and fight at least one more pilot who is senior to you for just one Jumpseat. Fly with a 64yo captain who has been flying for longer than you've been alive and gives you the option to shut up and hold on, or get off his ship and call scheduling. Crashpad it for 2-3 years and live with 12-21 people and ride buses and subways. Bad pay first or second year. Hotel vans are often not on time. Hotel brands might leave a lot to be desired. No rental car on layovers. PBS schedule bidding. Airlines not obeying contract rules and your union tells you to just grieve it. Hourly per diem of $1.65/hr really isn't enough to cover costs of a dinner meal plus a beer or two. Airline looks at you as a number and your way too expensive. Always fighting management. Unions are a waste and on who's team? Union games. Union fees. You might fly an MD-80. A bit harder training environment vs. FSI/CAE. Old Planes with 25,000 flight hours. Huge line up for departure at places like LGA and JFK. Four day trips. In the recent past you used to have to worry about when you'd be furloughed. Park at employee lot, wait, and ride employee bus. Airport security.

" I'm just sayin'!! "

Should I find more comments to add? I don't plan on going back to airlines.
Agree with all the above. In my opinion and others I have flown with, the new Astro program is going to take away those cool layovers, probably not the rental cars and the stuff that seperates EAS from the others. There is a real possiblity that soon we will go on 12 day tours never go home and fly 4 to 5 legs a day. I don't think any of us signed up for that.
runsky42 is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 08:36 AM
  #1152  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 690
Default

Myself and the pilots I know here are very concerned as well about Astro! and yes, It could change things in a big way here.
bgmann is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 09:59 AM
  #1153  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Default

What are the details on the "Astro" program?
Packrat is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 10:33 AM
  #1154  
Gets Weekends Off
 
RI830's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Left seat on a kite
Posts: 1,884
Default

Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
What are the details on the "Astro" program?
It is a new scheduling/optimizer software that is intended to save money and make the operation more efficient.
It is having some growing pains
RI830 is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 10:35 AM
  #1155  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Default

So its a PBS style system?
Packrat is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 12:16 PM
  #1156  
Gets Weekends Off
 
RI830's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Left seat on a kite
Posts: 1,884
Default

Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
So its a PBS style system?
Not even close.
It is a solver software that can for see crew/aircraft conflicts and give solutions for it. As compared to what is simple humans/schedulers can do...Astro can do way more.
It is in its infancy stage of being live. The bugs will be worked out in time.
RI830 is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 12:27 PM
  #1157  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Default

Everything needs time to mature. That's why they say in the military: "Never fly the A model of anything."
Packrat is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 01:17 PM
  #1158  
Gets Weekends Off
 
runsky42's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Upright
Posts: 120
Default

Originally Posted by RI830 View Post
Not even close.
It is a solver software that can for see crew/aircraft conflicts and give solutions for it. As compared to what is simple humans/schedulers can do...Astro can do way more.
It is in its infancy stage of being live. The bugs will be worked out in time.
Maybe so but ask the AvantAir guys how well it worked out for them. I am fully aware of AvantAirs other issues. So now instead of getting the crews home every few days as was told to each of us in the interviews and indoc we will spend 12 days on the road and then get us home.

Last edited by runsky42; 01-03-2014 at 01:57 PM.
runsky42 is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 02:02 PM
  #1159  
Gets Weekends Off
 
runsky42's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Upright
Posts: 120
Default

I don't want it to look like I am bashing the company. I enjoy everybody I fly with here. There is a great pilot group thru out the company and the managemnet does a great job of hiring.
runsky42 is offline  
Old 01-03-2014, 02:25 PM
  #1160  
Gets Weekends Off
 
B727DRVR's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Standing in front of the tank with a shopping bag
Posts: 918
Unhappy Astro was an unmitigated disaster for VNR

Hey RI,

I pray that this is not the same Astro program that Avantair bought from defunct Dayjet... This was not just their pilots perspective, but that of Crew Scheduling, Dispatch, and even Maintenance. as well. And the Astro programmers were intransigent when addressing the needs and concerns of their customer, Avantair.

The Formerly excellent customer service and the wonderful QOL that VNR pilots enjoyed disappeared the day Ass-tro (Skynet) became self aware. Seriously, ask any VNR employee.. Not just the pilots.

Astro was a big part of Avantair's demise and I pray that the VNR Astro died with the company and that EAShas no part of that program.
B727DRVR is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Bill Lumberg
Fractional
35
02-25-2013 09:30 AM
Pinchanickled
Regional
33
12-17-2010 06:58 PM
flight0813
Regional
36
04-01-2009 07:06 PM
Bill Lumberg
Fractional
2
07-02-2008 06:08 AM
stinsonjr
Fractional
2
09-25-2007 09:20 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices