Probationary Pilots Fired???
07-13-2018 | 10:34 AM
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07-13-2018 | 11:29 AM
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07-13-2018 | 11:35 AM
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Our 10 year old contract was written on bar napkins between friends on a bender. That “rule” was never enforced until a few days ago. “Status Quo” isn’t really a “thing” here.
07-13-2018 | 11:36 AM
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A min flying section in the contract is simply a bad contract... Firing people for calling out sick or fatigued is dangerous. Does anyone know if those involved are contacting the FAA over this? After Colgan, I think the industry standard is pretty clear.
07-13-2018 | 11:39 AM
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I’m fairly certain your management is at least intelligent enough to have ended a probationary employment agreement, not terminated someone for a fatigue call. If I’m wrong I would be concerned for the certificate, not just your CBA.
07-13-2018 | 11:52 AM
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Whether or not the company can legally "release" a probationary pilot is not the point. They can. The NMB will not see this as a status quo violation. Nor will they see the vacation cancellation as a violation either. It's all contractual and perfectly legal. The issue is the safety culture the company is cultivating. Pilots being afraid to call in sick in fear of punishment or termination is something the FAA is definitely interested in hearing about. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out how I know this.
07-13-2018 | 12:02 PM
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Whether or not the company can legally "release" a probationary pilot is not the point. They can. The NMB will not see this as a status quo violation. Nor will they see the vacation cancellation as a violation either. It's all contractual and perfectly legal. The issue is the safety culture the company is cultivating. Pilots being afraid to call in sick in fear of punishment or termination is something the FAA is definitely interested in hearing about. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out how I know this.
07-13-2018 | 03:53 PM
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This is a valid point. The previous post made it sound as though the company was specifically terminating the pilots for fatigue or sick. That is wholly different in terms of legal ramifications versus a probationary termination which can reasonably be construed as in conjunction with said events. One could mean an immediate end to certificated operation, the other could lead to potential increase in oversight.
07-13-2018 | 05:20 PM
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Whether or not the company can legally "release" a probationary pilot is not the point. They can. The NMB will not see this as a status quo violation. Nor will they see the vacation cancellation as a violation either. It's all contractual and perfectly legal. The issue is the safety culture the company is cultivating. Pilots being afraid to call in sick in fear of punishment or termination is something the FAA is definitely interested in hearing about. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out how I know this.
07-13-2018 | 10:49 PM
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