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Old 07-14-2018 | 02:01 AM
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You would think so, wouldn’t you.
Our MEC will be too busy taking vacations in their new toy...
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Old 07-14-2018 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OpenClimb
You would think so, wouldn’t you.
Unfortunately your airline name doesn’t start with a D or end with an A.
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Old 07-15-2018 | 07:35 AM
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Not supporting the actions of management what so ever but I feel like these guys were probably used as an example. There’s always a lot more to a story than we know.

It would be interesting if someone here had the details from the alleged individuals themselves. I know a couple of people along the way that this has happened to. In speaking with them, there were many things within their control. One should be able to keep the unexcused absences to a minimum for the 9 months you are on the line after OE until your probationary period is up.

In this country that we currently live in, if an employee is covered by FMLA, employer disciplinary actions are pretty unwelcome within our legal system. What the union should be doing is briefing everyone on this.

I could be wrong but, probationary or not, FMLA protects you at F9 right?
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Old 07-15-2018 | 07:46 AM
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FMLA starts after the first year.
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Old 07-15-2018 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
One should be able to keep the unexcused absences to a minimum for the 9 months you are on the line after OE until your probationary period is up.

In this country that we currently live in, if an employee is covered by FMLA, employer disciplinary actions are pretty unwelcome within our legal system. What the union should be doing is briefing everyone on this.

I could be wrong but, probationary or not, FMLA protects you at F9 right?
Actually, no. You need to actually read the requirements for coverage under the FMLA.

Including this one:


Employee requirements: you must have worked for your employer for at least 12 months and for at least 1,250 hours during the period immediately preceding the commencement of the leave.
If you worked 25 or more hours for 50 weeks in a year, you would have worked the required total of 1,250 hours. Only actual time worked counts; other time for which you are paid, such as vacation, holidays and sick leave, does not count towards the required 1,250-hour total.
The 12 months an employee must have been employed by the employer need not be consecutive months. The break in employment can be no more than 7 years unless the break is due to military service obligation or according to a previous written agreement with the employer.
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Googling to get info isn't rocket science.

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Old 07-15-2018 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Actually, no. You need to actually read the requirements for coverage under the FMLA.

Including this one:


Employee requirements: you must have worked for your employer for at least 12 months and for at least 1,250 hours during the period immediately preceding the commencement of the leave.
If you worked 25 or more hours for 50 weeks in a year, you would have worked the required total of 1,250 hours. Only actual time worked counts; other time for which you are paid, such as vacation, holidays and sick leave, does not count towards the required 1,250-hour total.
The 12 months an employee must have been employed by the employer need not be consecutive months. The break in employment can be no more than 7 years unless the break is due to military service obligation or according to a previous written agreement with the employer.
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Googling to get info isn't rocket science.

I’m definitely on the same team as you. Looking for solutions to fight this crazy situation at Frontier.

Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware of that 12 month prerequisite.
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Old 07-15-2018 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
I’m definitely on the same team as you. Looking for solutions to fight this crazy situation at Frontier.

Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware of that 12 month prerequisite.
One example of a guy I know was not eligible for fmla because he had less then 12 months on property, $39 an hour isn’t worth not being there for you’re parents when they’re dying. Just know this is the kind’ve thing these guys got fired for as ridiculous as it sounds.
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Old 07-15-2018 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies67
One example of a guy I know was not eligible for fmla because he had less then 12 months on property, $39 an hour isn’t worth not being there for you’re parents when they’re dying. Just know this is the kind’ve thing these guys got fired for as ridiculous as it sounds.

And it isn't even that they were fired for this. They were fired to send a message to the rest of the pilot group. The message was a simple one: we are ready to DESTROY YOUR CAREERS just to demonstrate our resolve. Don't even think about a sickout or other job actions just because we have the RLA people in our pocket.
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Old 07-15-2018 | 01:07 PM
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This is crazy stuff!
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Old 07-15-2018 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
And it isn't even that they were fired for this. They were fired to send a message to the rest of the pilot group. The message was a simple one: we are ready to DESTROY YOUR CAREERS just to demonstrate our resolve. Don't even think about a sickout or other job actions just because we have the RLA people in our pocket.
Actually they did it specifically so we would try something like a sick out so they could then slap us with a TRO but we see through their games. The only people that risk having their careers destroyed are the new hires they are actively trying to recruit that don’t have union protection.
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