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Old 03-03-2026 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
There is an April 6 class of about 25.

Where are the "official" upgrade failure rate #s?
I heard from a friend in the dept that we are having roughly a 30% failure or voluntary withdrawal from upgrade
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Old 03-03-2026 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I heard from a friend in the dept that we are having roughly a 30% failure or voluntary withdrawal from upgrade
Yikes. Any reason why?
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Old 03-04-2026 | 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I heard from a friend in the dept that we are having roughly a 30% failure or voluntary withdrawal from upgrade
Checks out.... Ontop of some REALLY **** poor failure rates for new hires as well.

Not sure what is going on, but one of the reasons we have all of the issues with sim availability and the need to stop classes is because people simply need more sims than the footprint and it eats away any available times and pushes people back. god forbid a sim is down for mx, then it is a complete mess.
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Old 03-04-2026 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by spooldup
Checks out.... Ontop of some REALLY **** poor failure rates for new hires as well.
What is the new hire failure rate? I'm in the pool.
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Old 03-04-2026 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cfiflyguy77
What is the new hire failure rate? I'm in the pool.
I think the new hire failure rate is quite low. The training dept is mostly excellent. Don't think this place is a washout style training dept. The vast majority of instructors are excellent and want you to succeed. Study, prepare and you will be fine.

As for upgrades, they recently changed the upgrade training and made it a bit more difficult. On top of that people don't know what to expect since the program is new. (No good gauge out there yet?)

When I went thru upgrade it was very much an educational syllabus and not a hard, testing, washout style training program. I learned and enjoyed it. But I never felt like it was designed to wash me out. The new one might be a little different.


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Old 03-04-2026 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cfiflyguy77
Yikes. Any reason why?
Just bc somone has 1000 hrs of 121 time doesn't mean they are ready for an upgrade.
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Old 03-04-2026 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cfiflyguy77
Yikes. Any reason why?

the last class had 4 that never showed for class. One of them got hired elsewhere apparently and the others withdrew before it started. Add to that 1 or 2 failures and there you have it.
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Old 03-04-2026 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ULLI
Just bc somone has 1000 hrs of 121 time doesn't mean they are ready for an upgrade.

100% correct. Although I’m sure there are a few that would make great captains, the vast majority would not. 1000 hours is usually about the equivalent of getting your toe wet.
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Old 03-04-2026 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cfiflyguy77
What is the new hire failure rate? I'm in the pool.
Just got done a couple weeks ago. I wouldn’t sweat it. Excellent instruction overall, and as always cooperate to graduate.

I will say, the folks who were struggling were almost exclusively 135/91 guys. Prior 121 folks had almost zero issues across the board. Even the true skyhawk cadets seemed to do just fine. My guess is, the failure rate is way up now that the company has to hire 91/135 guys as prior 121 folks stay at their regionals.
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Old 03-04-2026 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by festivus
Just got done a couple weeks ago. I wouldn’t sweat it. Excellent instruction overall, and as always cooperate to graduate.

I will say, the folks who were struggling were almost exclusively 135/91 guys. Prior 121 folks had almost zero issues across the board. Even the true skyhawk cadets seemed to do just fine. My guess is, the failure rate is way up now that the company has to hire 91/135 guys as prior 121 folks stay at their regionals.
I think most of the pilots they are hiring now are 91/135
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