Frontier vs Flow
07-11-2019, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek
Going to frontier for anything other than a type rating to jump to a major quicker is an exercise in delusion. The contract is somewhat better than before but it lags greatly behind most other majors. Even some regional airlines. Anyone who tells you otherwise has a personal motivation and isn’t helping you. Go to American OP.
But frankly my biggest metrics for judging an airline over the long term is: money, time off, and benefits. Sure there's dozens of other things I'm thinking about (commuting, upgrade, growth, stability, satisfaction, etc.). And I don't doubt that some/all of those things are better elsewhere. Maybe. Maybe not.
But are those things truly that awful at F9? Honest question. Thank you.
07-11-2019, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
ClearCreek, I don't pretend to know what you've gone through at F9 to say those things. And I'm sure you have legitimate grievances with the company to be saying that.
But frankly my biggest metrics for judging an airline over the long term is: money, time off, and benefits. Sure there's dozens of other things I'm thinking about (commuting, upgrade, growth, stability, satisfaction, etc.). And I don't doubt that some/all of those things are better elsewhere. Maybe. Maybe not.
But are those things truly that awful at F9? Honest question. Thank you.
But frankly my biggest metrics for judging an airline over the long term is: money, time off, and benefits. Sure there's dozens of other things I'm thinking about (commuting, upgrade, growth, stability, satisfaction, etc.). And I don't doubt that some/all of those things are better elsewhere. Maybe. Maybe not.
But are those things truly that awful at F9? Honest question. Thank you.
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07-12-2019, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
But are those things truly that awful at F9? Honest question. Thank you.
07-12-2019, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek
Going to frontier for anything other than a type rating to jump to a major quicker is an exercise in delusion. The contract is somewhat better than before but it lags greatly behind most other majors. Even some regional airlines. Anyone who tells you otherwise has a personal motivation and isn’t helping you. Go to American OP.
07-12-2019, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by turbojet28
You either don’t work here, or are the most miserable and bitter person around. Such BS. Does this place have some issues? Sure. But by and large, it is a great job.
07-12-2019, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Why such a radical change from what all the frontier pilots were posting less than a year ago?
07-12-2019, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Why such a radical change from what all the frontier pilots were posting less than a year ago?
The airline is still the same, but there is no longer any hostility coming down from management. And I really don't think many guys have put much thought to that yet. The moral on the line is quite good right now.
07-12-2019, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Honestly, it's more than just the fact that we got our contact. The company is treating us better. They aren't hassling us over sick time usage or any of the other BS stuff that was going on.
The airline is still the same, but there is no longer any hostility coming down from management. And I really don't think many guys have put much thought to that yet. The moral on the line is quite good right now.
The airline is still the same, but there is no longer any hostility coming down from management. And I really don't think many guys have put much thought to that yet. The moral on the line is quite good right now.
07-12-2019, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Wait a couple of years. We had a year or so honeymoon at G4 after our contract but thats all over now. Payroll and scheduling ignoring our contract. Hassling us over sick time usage. Fly now grieve later for everything. Literally hundreds of backlog grievances from this year alone. Ignoring their side letter to negotiate a transparent PBS system and taking the union to court. Good times.
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07-12-2019, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Honestly, it's more than just the fact that we got our contact. The company is treating us better. They aren't hassling us over sick time usage or any of the other BS stuff that was going on.
The airline is still the same, but there is no longer any hostility coming down from management. And I really don't think many guys have put much thought to that yet. The moral on the line is quite good right now.
The airline is still the same, but there is no longer any hostility coming down from management. And I really don't think many guys have put much thought to that yet. The moral on the line is quite good right now.
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