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05-14-2022, 04:09 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,078
Originally Posted by symbian simian
And I would rather have commutable trips, so aiming for something that benefits all (better rigs & pay) is better than something that hurts half of us (daily pay). You keep calling it a three day, so you would be totally happy with a 2 day check-in 10 minutes pay midnight, red-eye to the east coast. Long sit, back early afternoon. Pays 10 hours, same TAFB as those horrible 3 days, and same 10 hour pay. They optimize trips to minimize crew pay.
That’s exactly the problem with min calendar day. The problem with the 3 day min duty average of 5 for 10 credit is it tends to create 12 day off lines rather
quickly.
05-14-2022, 06:29 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by symbian simian
And I would rather have commutable trips, so aiming for something that benefits all (better rigs & pay) is better than something that hurts half of us (daily pay). You keep calling it a three day, so you would be totally happy with a 2 day check-in 10 minutes pay midnight, red-eye to the east coast. Long sit, back early afternoon. Pays 10 hours, same TAFB as those horrible 3 days, and same 10 hour pay. They optimize trips to minimize crew pay.
There are plenty of ways to make commutable 3 and 4 day trips with a min day, we had them at my last airline. If it’s commutable trips that you’re looking for, you should be asking ALPA to put pressure on the company to move away from the day line model that they’re pursuing. I doubt there’s much they can do about it but that’s the bigger issue in my opinion.
05-15-2022, 03:06 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: seated - facing forward
Posts: 990
Originally Posted by symbian simian
Guess doubling down???
I mean, you can just be a senior FO....
I mean, you can just be a senior FO....
05-15-2022, 05:43 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 555
Originally Posted by madmax757
That is true . I’m actually thinking of going back to the right seat in my base for QOL. I just flew with a senior.FO and he has it pretty good.
I’m in the top 10% in base and generally get what I want; certainly much more time off than a jnr CA; and more money; but that’s true at any airline..I’m planning on the first upgrade nonetheless; it’s just a better job in the left seat. Who would t want their first choice of crew meals every day? Oh.. wait…
05-15-2022, 04:15 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,228
Originally Posted by Xdashdriver
No you can bid FO voluntarily provided you’ve been a CA for more than 2 years.
05-17-2022, 12:40 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Lineholder
Posts: 1,341
Originally Posted by symbian simian
Guess doubling down???
I would rather have a "3" day trip that starts at 11pm and finishes at 8am with 32 hours TAFB, than a 15hr credit trip that starts at 7am and ends at 10pm. Because I would rather get 10 of pay to be away from my family for 1 day, than 15 hours pay to be away for 3. But to each their own.
I mean, you can just be a senior FO....
I would rather have a "3" day trip that starts at 11pm and finishes at 8am with 32 hours TAFB, than a 15hr credit trip that starts at 7am and ends at 10pm. Because I would rather get 10 of pay to be away from my family for 1 day, than 15 hours pay to be away for 3. But to each their own.
I mean, you can just be a senior FO....
The 12 hours before your 11pm show are supposed to be for crew rest of which 8 are supposed to be for sleep. I’m not so naive to believe that’s what people are actually doing but the day of that trip is limited in what you can do you and should probably include at least an attempt at a few hours nap.
And landing at 7-8am a whole 32 hours later will be followed by another nap if not 8 hours of sleep after dragging yourself home. If you’re a commuter, add 4 hours on each side of that…
If you consider that quality time with your family, then so be it. Id much rather have the extra 5 hours of credit. Two of those 7am - 11pm 2 days = 3 of your 11pm/redeye, 28hr layover and another redeye (1) day.
5 hours credit is $1100 mid level CA pay
Last edited by dracir1; 05-17-2022 at 01:12 PM.
05-19-2022, 06:05 AM
#40
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Airbus (the wide ones)
Posts: 106
I’m hearing that the ALPA reps during their informational meetings are managing expectations about gains made in a JCBA. I hope we are looking at something better than status quo.
If I were a NK pilot, I would be praying for the success of JB’s bid.
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If I were a NK pilot, I would be praying for the success of JB’s bid.
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