Contract 2023
03-28-2023, 12:01 PM
#231
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Originally Posted by Cameronhoward
Please God give us beards in the new contract 🙏 . Amen.
Mostly sarcasm but I do hate shaving everyday. Plus I don't look like a child when I have a beard. Can't imagine that in today's day and age that pilots with beards hurt the company image. Also been shown it doesn't affect safety.
Mostly sarcasm but I do hate shaving everyday. Plus I don't look like a child when I have a beard. Can't imagine that in today's day and age that pilots with beards hurt the company image. Also been shown it doesn't affect safety.
03-28-2023, 12:23 PM
#232
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Originally Posted by brocklee9000
A yes from me. But unfortunately every time I’ve seen jt brought up, always the same opposition. Image/professionalism; safety; can’t JS on other carriers; Company X allows it and so few did it in the beginning so those brave few went back to daily shaving due to feeling awkward.
Sure it’s not really a safety issue but good luck getting the FAA to change their minds (or all those oxygen masks with the placard about a proper seal). It can be groomed and maintained professionally; if there can be a dress code and grooming standard for hair and mustache, obviously a simple beard standard could be enacted. If you anticipate needing to ride a JS, carry a shaver and do a quick pass. There’s not really a reason for people to wear suits and ties. Not really a reason we need to look like a boat captain. Delta actually truly thinks the double breasted/hat combo is what their passengers are paying to see and expect.
groomed facial hair. Better reserve rules/pay. Min daily instead of duty period. Mainline narrowbody pay rates. Keep the hat optional. 5 things and I’m happy.
Sure it’s not really a safety issue but good luck getting the FAA to change their minds (or all those oxygen masks with the placard about a proper seal). It can be groomed and maintained professionally; if there can be a dress code and grooming standard for hair and mustache, obviously a simple beard standard could be enacted. If you anticipate needing to ride a JS, carry a shaver and do a quick pass. There’s not really a reason for people to wear suits and ties. Not really a reason we need to look like a boat captain. Delta actually truly thinks the double breasted/hat combo is what their passengers are paying to see and expect.
groomed facial hair. Better reserve rules/pay. Min daily instead of duty period. Mainline narrowbody pay rates. Keep the hat optional. 5 things and I’m happy.
03-28-2023, 05:05 PM
#233
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Allegiant let’s pilots have beards, no FAA issue.
03-28-2023, 05:26 PM
#234
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Allegiant let’s pilots have beards, no FAA issue.
Ultimately it gets axed due to “it interferes with a seal” but deep down, it’s because a vocal majority thinks it’s unprofessional and can’t be policed. Which is why I say: if they can mandate a uniform and mustaches and hair length, it would be easy to do the same for a groomed beard. It’s not like people are asking for a Duck Dynasty beard.
03-28-2023, 05:31 PM
#235
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Originally Posted by brocklee9000
A yes from me. But unfortunately every time I’ve seen jt brought up, always the same opposition. Image/professionalism; safety; can’t JS on other carriers; Company X allows it and so few did it in the beginning so those brave few went back to daily shaving due to feeling awkward.
I just saw one of our own walking through the terminal with shirt and pants tailored so tight that they were basically painted on, pants hemmed so high I could see half of his sock, shirt sleeves made so short they were practically in his armpits and fuzzy black loafers with white soles on his feet. He looked liked he enjoyed his protein shakes and he also looked like a complete clown. He was dressed like he was going to work a bachelorette party, not a professional airline captain about to go fly a plane.
I don’t shave on my days off and I like it, but I’m a hard no on beards at work.
03-28-2023, 06:02 PM
#236
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Originally Posted by TOGALOCK
We can’t get half of this pilot group to wear a uniform respectfully. Furthermore the company seems to have no interest in enforcing it. Do you really think, if allowed, anyone would keep a beard groomed professionally? I have one month of pay that says pilots would be having beard growing contests.
I just saw one of our own walking through the terminal with shirt and pants tailored so tight that they were basically painted on, pants hemmed so high I could see half of his sock, shirt sleeves made so short they were practically in his armpits and fuzzy black loafers with white soles on his feet. He looked liked he enjoyed his protein shakes and he also looked like a complete clown. He was dressed like he was going to work a bachelorette party, not a professional airline captain about to go fly a plane.
I don’t shave on my days off and I like it, but I’m a hard no on beards at work.
I just saw one of our own walking through the terminal with shirt and pants tailored so tight that they were basically painted on, pants hemmed so high I could see half of his sock, shirt sleeves made so short they were practically in his armpits and fuzzy black loafers with white soles on his feet. He looked liked he enjoyed his protein shakes and he also looked like a complete clown. He was dressed like he was going to work a bachelorette party, not a professional airline captain about to go fly a plane.
I don’t shave on my days off and I like it, but I’m a hard no on beards at work.
I agree on the beards btw
03-28-2023, 06:38 PM
#237
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Originally Posted by TOGALOCK
We can’t get half of this pilot group to wear a uniform respectfully. Furthermore the company seems to have no interest in enforcing it. Do you really think, if allowed, anyone would keep a beard groomed professionally? I have one month of pay that says pilots would be having beard growing contests.
Wjy do we expect THIS company (mgt) to enforce anything associated with professionalism, pride, etc. The fact is that WE the labor force should enforce it - or at least pull a guy/gal aside and tactfully request that they do better. It’s not a scolding, it’s mentorship and age has nothing to do with it.
The reason why we have people looking like clowns is because we don’t say anything. The reason why we have this pay scale and contract is because WE (not the union leadership) voted it in.
03-28-2023, 06:43 PM
#238
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Originally Posted by dracir1
I know this won’t be the sentiment for many but…
Wjy do we expect THIS company (mgt) to enforce anything associated with professionalism, pride, etc. The fact is that WE the labor force should enforce it - or at least pull a guy/gal aside and tactfully request that they do better. It’s not a scolding, it’s mentorship and age has nothing to do with it.
The reason why we have people looking like clowns is because we don’t say anything. The reason why we have this pay scale and contract is because WE (not the union leadership) voted it in.
Wjy do we expect THIS company (mgt) to enforce anything associated with professionalism, pride, etc. The fact is that WE the labor force should enforce it - or at least pull a guy/gal aside and tactfully request that they do better. It’s not a scolding, it’s mentorship and age has nothing to do with it.
The reason why we have people looking like clowns is because we don’t say anything. The reason why we have this pay scale and contract is because WE (not the union leadership) voted it in.
03-28-2023, 06:48 PM
#239
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Originally Posted by dracir1
I know this won’t be the sentiment for many but…
Wjy do we expect THIS company (mgt) to enforce anything associated with professionalism, pride, etc. The fact is that WE the labor force should enforce it - or at least pull a guy/gal aside and tactfully request that they do better. It’s not a scolding, it’s mentorship and age has nothing to do with it.
The reason why we have people looking like clowns is because we don’t say anything. The reason why we have this pay scale and contract is because WE (not the union leadership) voted it in.
Wjy do we expect THIS company (mgt) to enforce anything associated with professionalism, pride, etc. The fact is that WE the labor force should enforce it - or at least pull a guy/gal aside and tactfully request that they do better. It’s not a scolding, it’s mentorship and age has nothing to do with it.
The reason why we have people looking like clowns is because we don’t say anything. The reason why we have this pay scale and contract is because WE (not the union leadership) voted it in.
03-28-2023, 07:03 PM
#240
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Originally Posted by APC1
Not trying to start anything, but wouldn't this include all the guys in Denver wearing north face jackets, pretty much anything that isn't approved?
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