Contract Openers
07-28-2023 | 05:33 AM
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You spelled "Spirit" wrong.
My serious guess is Spirit +1, just like last time. And if this is the case, The Company is gonna want to lock those rates in before Spirit starts the JCBA with JB.
On the flipside, if the JB thing falls through, it will be Frontierit all over again, in which case I predict a multi year fight to ultimately make less than Spirits current, already below industry standard rates.
(if it matters, I work at NK)
My serious guess is Spirit +1, just like last time. And if this is the case, The Company is gonna want to lock those rates in before Spirit starts the JCBA with JB.
On the flipside, if the JB thing falls through, it will be Frontierit all over again, in which case I predict a multi year fight to ultimately make less than Spirits current, already below industry standard rates.
(if it matters, I work at NK)
It has to be close to the legacies or this place will go under VERY quickly.
07-28-2023 | 05:55 AM
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Thing is, even if they signed a CBA identical to, or even slightly higher than, new legacy deals, they would still see a lot of attrition simply because of the other lifestyle and career opportunities at large airlines with huge networks and wide body fleets. This place genuinely needs to come up with things that will get people to want to be here and stay - things they can’t get somewhere else. Right now we are so far behind it’s not even funny, whether it be pay rates, labor relations, options for fleets, QOL provisions, you name it.
07-28-2023 | 06:55 AM
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Thing is, even if they signed a CBA identical to, or even slightly higher than, new legacy deals, they would still see a lot of attrition simply because of the other lifestyle and career opportunities at large airlines with huge networks and wide body fleets. This place genuinely needs to come up with things that will get people to want to be here and stay - things they can’t get somewhere else. Right now we are so far behind it’s not even funny, whether it be pay rates, labor relations, options for fleets, QOL provisions, you name it.
07-28-2023 | 02:24 PM
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Well, after today's email I think we know what we're in for. Not shocking at all. Management seems hell-bent on making Frontier a regional airline. I planned on spending my career here but now think the difference between this and real career airlines is too great. What a bummer.
07-28-2023 | 02:55 PM
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More specifically, they pointed to drop and swap limits stating, “our current drop and swap rules lead to insufficient reserve coverage and crew cancellations when the addition of PAF fails
I want to know what they mean by "when the PAF fails". Has there ever been a time when a PAF trip wasn't picked up within a minute of it being dropped?
07-28-2023 | 03:09 PM
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LOL, managements inability to recruit and retain pilots due to a lack of competitive work rules and compensation is the reason for poor coverage and cancellations, but yeah, let's blame the fact that the company cannot lock us into our awarded PBS schedules in their entirity. Clowns.
I want to know what they mean by "when the PAF fails". Has there ever been a time when a PAF trip wasn't picked up within a minute of it being dropped?
I want to know what they mean by "when the PAF fails". Has there ever been a time when a PAF trip wasn't picked up within a minute of it being dropped?
I’ll guess that’s a setup for trying to gain back the ability to JA.
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07-28-2023 | 03:36 PM
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Well, after today's email I think we know what we're in for. Not shocking at all. Management seems hell-bent on making Frontier a regional airline. I planned on spending my career here but now think the difference between this and real career airlines is too great. What a bummer.
I am sure we will have something within 12-18 months, but it won't be any quicker. I came here as a destination as well and we will see what happens. Worst comes to worst, ill eat the losses and move to the angry triangle or just go corporate.
07-28-2023 | 03:53 PM
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Be happy they came to the table with anything, its a good sign. Negotiating 101 is to not give it all away quick and see what the other side will take. They came to the table with their offers and openers which is actually way better than last time. (they just didnt show up and had nothing ready)
I am sure we will have something within 12-18 months, but it won't be any quicker. I came here as a destination as well and we will see what happens. Worst comes to worst, I’ll eat the losses and move to the angry triangle or just go corporate.
I am sure we will have something within 12-18 months, but it won't be any quicker. I came here as a destination as well and we will see what happens. Worst comes to worst, I’ll eat the losses and move to the angry triangle or just go corporate.
07-28-2023 | 04:27 PM
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LOL, managements inability to recruit and retain pilots due to a lack of competitive work rules and compensation is the reason for poor coverage and cancellations, but yeah, let's blame the fact that the company cannot lock us into our awarded PBS schedules in their entirity. Clowns.
I want to know what they mean by "when the PAF fails". Has there ever been a time when a PAF trip wasn't picked up within a minute of it being dropped?
I want to know what they mean by "when the PAF fails". Has there ever been a time when a PAF trip wasn't picked up within a minute of it being dropped?
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