ReserveCA

ya Denver 20+ yrs to hold reserve

dracir1

Not necessarily. I think that is more a sign of being poorly managed.

The one thing that is difficult to factor with this management group is that there are several ways in which the company acts contrary to its own best interest. HF radios are a good example - some of the older aircraft actually had the radios but the company sent out a pilot alert NOT to use them as we weren’t certified, radios weren’t hooked up correctly, etc. Them we flew all the way around WAT from PHL tot SJU. We practically paid for a new HF radio every 3 trips. A little forethought and planning and we could’ve been saving thousands all along with investment that hardly breaks the bank. I’m sure that wifi will end up being the same issue soon - it’s almost like we’re scared to pass on the costs of improvements to the customer for fear of “looking” expensive.

For those of you not around last contract cycle - it took 3 years. And it was 3 LONG, arduous years. There were claims by the company of pilot collusion, work stoppage, etc. There were even claims that blogs/entries in APC were unlawful (so be careful what you put here). This next negotiation should be about the same. The company will start out as low on everything as possible in an attempt to keep costs down. Then, in the end, they’ll offer a fairly large sum of $ as partial retro (it won’t be full/100% but will be enough to convince a mediator they are acting in good faith) and this will convince our negotiators and LEC/MEC that it’s the best offer we’re gonna get. It will undoubtedly be less than market value but many will tout how much of an improvement it is (over our current contract).

That is the story of F9 pilots. We vote in every substandard contract because we don’t have enough pilots with the backbone to demand industry standard. Don’t blame the company - it’s much more personal than that…

And, because the contract lacks in pay (but has the lure of a few areas of better QoL), we will struggle to hire and retain. Again, acting contrary to our own best interest.

It is what it is.

hercretired

this must explain all the Delta dudes who left Delta and are in Frontier classes for "QOL"

ReserveCA

bwahaaaaaaa 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤪

spooldup

Debatable. ATL isn't even Delta's most senior base for the 320 from what I have heard (Apparently MSP is, followed by SLC)

the point was base for base and my situation. so yeah, in that case, F9 is significantly better than Delta for what I want.

It is a weird situation not hating my job I guess...

DontStahl320

800 frontier pilots or so over the last 5 years to DAL/UAL/AA

0 pilots from DAL/UAL/AA TO F9.

I’d honestly question any motive a legit person that is hirable at a legacy that would come here. Especially after the stunts this airline pulls.

OscarRomeo

The most junior 25 year DL pilot would be < 25% for 320 CA in every base and is 17% company wide. They could also hold CA on every wide body in every base except 767-4 and A330 in ATL. Keep smiling.

HacksawDuggan

dont take this the wrong way, but you don’t have to keep justifying to everyone on here why you work at F9. In every thread it’s the same thing. Glad you’re happy. But realize that the other pilots you correspond with don’t necessarily hate their job either. They are tired of the lack of support, terrible management, long CS hold times, communication failures, and overall incompetence witnessed on a daily basis. And there is no end in sight for any of the above.

PositiveRate20

If all you care about is day trips, which is what you keep coming back to, then yep....Delta is not for you.

spooldup

That is understandable, I am not going to lie and say none of that happens, because it does. I guess it just depends on how much you want to deal with before you leave. The grass isn't always greener in some ways, but in a majority, I think the legacies just run a smoother operation overall due to the nature of not trying to cut costs at every turn.

Yeah, waiting 40 mins at 5:45am for MX to return a plane to service even though they had the paperwork at 5:15am confirming the MX was done is something that is annoying. Not having bottled water in base is ridiculous. Dealing with gate agents and public perception on a daily basis is annoying. Waiting for gate space, rampers, etc.

I would be way more concerned about these things if they were something that wasn't able to be fixed when some beancounter in corporate realized they lose more money because of these things and decided to fix them the next month. So much our issues are due to running a lean staffed operation. The typical "stepping over dollars to pick up pennies" deal.