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dracir1 03-31-2025 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3899178)
I agree with this. It's not the unions job to discipline us.

But it is the union's job to ensure the contract is enforced (and that the company is enforcing it).

To me, the whole bot issue is # 236 out of about 250 issues we have going on. I have no idea what the scheduling rep for the union does or has the ability to do, but there are MANY other scheduling issues I would prioritize higher than bot tracking.

Mooneyguy 03-31-2025 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3899216)
But it is the union's job to ensure the contract is enforced (and that the company is enforcing it).

To me, the whole bot issue is # 236 out of about 250 issues we have going on. I have no idea what the scheduling rep for the union does or has the ability to do, but there are MANY other scheduling issues I would prioritize higher than bot tracking.

that’s just it, it’s not specifically in the contract. Besides they can’t even make the company follow the cba as it is. We have more open grievances than any other airline too.
I will say changes are happening within the mec. Previously though, you have to ask why we have (had) some within the mec who wouldn’t admit there were bots and didn’t want to do anything about it. 🤔

redhot 03-31-2025 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Mooneyguy (Post 3899234)
that’s just it, it’s not specifically in the contract. Besides they can’t even make the company follow the cba as it is. We have more open grievances than any other airline too.
I will say changes are happening within the mec. Previously though, you have to ask why we have (had) some within the mec who wouldn’t admit there were bots and didn’t want to do anything about it. 🤔

my biggest issue is they talked about how captcha was getting rolled out shortly then never followed up and its been over a year. That’s just straight up unacceptable to go silent after saying it’s coming soon. If something changed just communicate it with the pilot group.

JoeFever1 04-01-2025 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by redhot (Post 3899250)
my biggest issue is they talked about how captcha was getting rolled out shortly then never followed up and its been over a year. That’s just straight up unacceptable to go silent after saying it’s coming soon. If something changed just communicate it with the pilot group.

Our Union communicate? Good one.

ReserveCA 04-01-2025 07:15 AM

The bot issue is synonymous to rats fighting for garbage at the dump.
this place has way bigger issues, ie CRAP CBA and NO foreseeable end to negotiationsin sight.

dracir1 04-01-2025 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by ReserveCA (Post 3899513)
The bot issue is synonymous to rats fighting for garbage at the dump.
this place has way bigger issues, ie CRAP CBA and NO foreseeable end to negotiationsin sight.

There is an end. Life is so much about expectation management. So here's some...

1). MOST airline negotiations take 4-5 years. SWA just went through a 6+ yr negotiation. Allegiant is in negotiations now along with us and has been for years.

2). The RLA, despite what many think about it usefulness, is still valid and in effect. Perhaps we will see if the full authority (self help) will be allowed for us.

3). Once the NC is decided, stick with them. Firing/replacing them is just more time consuming.

4). DL and the other legacies did the industry a SOLID by going to 3 yr contracts. The cycle will now speed up to the point where longer negotiations won't pay off as the threat of other airlines negotiating lower rates first (thereby making the case for those pilot groups who negotiate last costing more to the company). We shall see how that factors in for us a DL comes up on their early opener next year.

5). Remember, the pilots can ALWAYS VOTE a TA down. The market is the market.

ReserveCA 04-01-2025 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3899552)
There is an end. Life is so much about expectation management. So here's some...

1). MOST airline negotiations take 4-5 years. SWA just went through a 6+ yr negotiation. Allegiant is in negotiations now along with us and has been for years.

2). The RLA, despite what many think about it usefulness, is still valid and in effect. Perhaps we will see if the full authority (self help) will be allowed for us.

3). Once the NC is decided, stick with them. Firing/replacing them is just more time consuming.

4). DL and the other legacies did the industry a SOLID by going to 3 yr contracts. The cycle will now speed up to the point where longer negotiations won't pay off as the threat of other airlines negotiating lower rates first (thereby making the case for those pilot groups who negotiate last costing more to the company). We shall see how that factors in for us a DL comes up on their early opener next year.

5). Remember, the pilots can ALWAYS VOTE a TA down. The market is the market.


1....... 5 yrs of back pay? $7k X 60months = $420,000. Ya right

JoeFever1 04-01-2025 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by ReserveCA (Post 3899585)
1....... 5 yrs of back pay? $7k X 60months = $420,000. Ya right

Sounds pretty sweet to me

spooldup 04-01-2025 11:39 AM

Looking forward to my 70k retro check and a new contract with QOL improvements and a snap up clause.

It takes time. But it will happen. Getting upset over it will only **** off you and your family since they have to deal with you every day.

Leave work at work and let stuff happen.

ReserveCA 04-01-2025 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by JoeFever1 (Post 3899610)
Sounds pretty sweet to me

I was being EXTREMELY sarcastic........ F9/indigo will NEVER give up anything close to FULL BACK PAY

more than 5 years left?
GET OUT NOW!


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