How long for a contract?
07-10-2025 | 10:03 PM
#1831
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From: A320 FO
Why would any of these people who were here for 2 or 3 years and went to a legacy be happy/want us to have a contract?
They swear they made the right decision, come back here and constantly ****** on us every chance they get with how great it is and we should all do it to.
They don't understand how this works and have probably been in a union for 3 years of their 6 year career so far.
They swear they made the right decision, come back here and constantly ****** on us every chance they get with how great it is and we should all do it to.
They don't understand how this works and have probably been in a union for 3 years of their 6 year career so far.
My last shop still doesn't have a contract. Perhaps that validates my decision to leave but I certainly don't go to their forums and gloat or encourage people to leave. I want them to be successful as well.
I think most pilots understand this and feel the same.
07-11-2025 | 11:13 AM
#1833
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NEGOTIATORS’ NEWSLETTER 52
Here’s what else they struck from ALPA’s Scope proposal:
X Two-pilot flight deck minimums
X Commitment to remain a U.S.-based carrier
X Work protections in mergers and acquisitions
X Safeguards against fragmentation or outsourcing
X Limitations on “alter ego” airlines and shell carriers
Entirely unacceptable. As much as we wanna discuss pay and qol. This is not okay and just as important.
Here’s what else they struck from ALPA’s Scope proposal:
X Two-pilot flight deck minimums
X Commitment to remain a U.S.-based carrier
X Work protections in mergers and acquisitions
X Safeguards against fragmentation or outsourcing
X Limitations on “alter ego” airlines and shell carriers
Entirely unacceptable. As much as we wanna discuss pay and qol. This is not okay and just as important.
07-11-2025 | 11:36 AM
#1834
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NEGOTIATORS’ NEWSLETTER 52
Here’s what else they struck from ALPA’s Scope proposal:
X Two-pilot flight deck minimums
X Commitment to remain a U.S.-based carrier
X Work protections in mergers and acquisitions
X Safeguards against fragmentation or outsourcing
X Limitations on “alter ego” airlines and shell carriers
Entirely unacceptable. As much as we wanna discuss pay and qol. This is not okay and just as important.
Here’s what else they struck from ALPA’s Scope proposal:
X Two-pilot flight deck minimums
X Commitment to remain a U.S.-based carrier
X Work protections in mergers and acquisitions
X Safeguards against fragmentation or outsourcing
X Limitations on “alter ego” airlines and shell carriers
Entirely unacceptable. As much as we wanna discuss pay and qol. This is not okay and just as important.
07-11-2025 | 02:07 PM
#1835
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From: Joystick Operator
Scope/protections are SO important. I hope the guys who just want more pay before they go to a legacy understand what they need to vote for.
Without that, nothing is stopping them from selling all our planes to Delta and throwing us on the street. Selling off to another carrier. Putting 19 seat RJs and operating EAS routes (im looking at you skywest). Moving the company to another country that approves single pilot ops, etc.
07-12-2025 | 08:05 AM
#1838
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07-12-2025 | 03:00 PM
#1839
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From: 1900D CA
07-12-2025 | 05:21 PM
#1840
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I still wonder how the single pilot is going to work. Some smaller operators can do single pilot I think it's 19 pax max after that your required to have two people in the cockpit. due to German wings. so who is the other person in the cockpit? Radio operator? Flight Engineer? Mechanic? is it just a dog that barks at you if to press the wrong buttons? Given the limited training to become a pilot It doesn't make sense to put someone else in that seat. With that said over a long enough time line the pilot positions go from two to one to none. We need to cling to our jobs like real-estate agents Far longer than any logical use case
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