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dracir1 08-20-2023 03:36 PM
Originally Posted by mrwizard0 (Post 3685596)
I came here for the flexibility. I turned down interviews at legacies because qol is more important to me than money. Keeping (hopefully improving) our flexibility is worth giving up money. Lots of money is useless if you aren’t able to be home with those you care about it. We should be able to get our pay rates real close to the legacies and keep the qol, but either way we need qol
you may be truthful. Only problem is you’re a unicorn. Most others want what I want.

if flexibility is so good, why do we have the attrition rate we have?

Aero1900 08-20-2023 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3685607)
you may be truthful. Only problem is you’re a unicorn. Most others want what I want.

if flexibility is so good, why do we have the attrition rate we have?
Pay rates and flexibility are probably roughly equally weighted in people's decisions to stay or go.

We must protect our QOL/flexibility while achieving pay rates in the ballpark of the legacies to stem attrition

HacksawDuggan 08-20-2023 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3685607)
you may be truthful. Only problem is you’re a unicorn. Most others want what I want.

if flexibility is so good, why do we have the attrition rate we have?
There’s two unicorns because I’m a no vote if we give up drop/swap.

dracir1 08-20-2023 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by HacksawDuggan (Post 3685636)
There’s two unicorns because I’m a no vote if we give up drop/swap.
so there are levels of QoL as it pertains to trading, etc.

Drop/swap is necessary. I’m a no voter if we lose that as well. But keeping it with subpar rates are gonna mean the same thing for our future - we won’t grow at all.

ReserveCA 08-20-2023 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by HacksawDuggan (Post 3685636)
There’s two unicorns because I’m a no vote if we give up drop/swap.
it is DENIED most of the time ………

fcoolaiddrinker 08-20-2023 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by ReserveCA (Post 3685662)
it is DENIED most of the time ………
It could only be denied 4 (2 of 4 are even) of 30 days las captain for September right now and 2 of the next 6 for august. And las is a mess right now. That’s nowhere near most of the time. Stop trying to give away provisions please.

fcoolaiddrinker 08-20-2023 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by Bulldog319 (Post 3685673)
The company could care less about QOL, they want the bright shiny object (pay rates) that can be shown at recruiting events. Why give away something we want for something we both want?

Exactly right. Pilots need to stop worrying about the companies job to staff and grow.

fcoolaiddrinker 08-20-2023 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by HacksawDuggan (Post 3685636)
There’s two unicorns because I’m a no vote if we give up drop/swap.
I don’t believe they want us to give it up. I’m fairly confident they want to tie it to res coverage. Right now it’s not outside 48 hrs. Your res coverage is not my problem when trade/drop/swap. That is the most important provision to keeping the grid clean on most days. Especially during meltdowns where a ton of res are used. It’s a provision that most carriers don’t have. Most are tied to a res grid.

DontStahl320 08-21-2023 06:39 AM
Originally Posted by mrwizard0 (Post 3685596)
I came here for the flexibility. I turned down interviews at legacies because qol is more important to me than money. Keeping (hopefully improving) our flexibility is worth giving up money. Lots of money is useless if you aren’t able to be home with those you care about it. We should be able to get our pay rates real close to the legacies and keep the qol, but either way we need qol
Bold strategy cotton, interestingly enough, we have yet to have one pilot leave a legacy to become a flexible frontier pilot. As I’m watching former frontier pilots already upgrade at the legacies in record time. Are legacies closing their ORD base on a whim and the pilots find out from internet blog sites, no. That was here. Pilots lives completely uprooted by management. Sounds like an awesome display of flexibility.

ReserveCA 08-21-2023 07:40 AM
Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3685665)
It could only be denied 4 (2 of 4 are even) of 30 days las captain for September right now and 2 of the next 6 for august. And las is a mess right now. That’s nowhere near most of the time. Stop trying to give away provisions please.
what I’m saying is why give up something that is already under company control…….. CONCESSION STAND CLOSED….


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