ag27

What is the curretn estimated upgrade time there?

Any trend to ioncrease or decrease?
TIA

flyingpants

fftpilots.com has all that information and more. But as of right now, 2 years 5 months in Miami.

Mooneyguy

the last realignment bid had someone awarded CA at 2 yrs on property.
Any trend will depend on management. If they decide to start running a real upgrade class every month it could easily go under two years. That said, there is nothing happening here that could offer a solid idea of which way it will go.

spooldup

yep, fftpilots.com is a little behind with some of the information at the moment...

Most junior CA was a 2 year... It all depends, like Mooney said, about management and if they want to increase or decrease upgrades, people leaving, etc.

I would expect a realistic 2-3yr upgrade right now though in the coming future, especially with CHI opening again for those more senior who lived there and didn't upgrade or are not going to leave now.

Dragonslayer69

I think upgrade times will increase. Who wants to take first upgrade when BB can change the direction of the company every time the wind shifts? Waiting for upgrade might save you from displacement.

ag27

Thanks much for the info. I'll check it out

dracir1

I certainly understand the reason for your question. Keep in mind...

This airline will be adding 3 new bases in about 12 months time and probably a 4th in 6-9 months after that. Given our lack of ability to grow and retain pilots - our most recent bid for the CLE base saw involuntary downgrades and a fair amount of people movement. Once the following bases open, you will probably see more of that as well. Upgrading as a junior FO will bring more $ but a LOT of stagnation and time spent as low relative seniority at your base possibly. It's the same as upgrading at UA in Newark or SF - you're a CA but will suffer through months (perhaps years) of more senior peeps keeping you on reserve, etc.

And this airline is the LOWEST paying, has another 3 years or so before a new contract comes out and boasts a pilot force that seems more concerned about drop/swap/trade language than the pay rate.

spooldup

Yeah... lowest paid, but I haven't worked a holiday except 1 when I started thanks to our drop/trade/swap/pickup rules. I will 100% always take QOL language over pay, as pay is easy to increase or decrease, gaining QOL is usually harder.

OscarRomeo

You had involuntary downgrades and are still upgrading?

Aero1900

One guy I think.

Didn't want to get displaced out of Vegas when they shrunk the Vegas base to open up CLE. You have the right to downgrade to FO to stay in your domicile if they displace/ shrink your base.