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08-29-2015 | 02:06 PM

#3401

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Anyone know when you might get a new TA? The last contract looks like it had it's last snapback on pay back in 2011. Just curious.

It's amendable in 2017 and negotiations will likely drag out for years.

08-29-2015 | 02:08 PM

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It's amendable in 2017 and negotiations will likely drag out for years.

I though pay negotiations can start March, I could be wrong though.

08-29-2015 | 02:33 PM

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I though pay negotiations can start March, I could be wrong though.

That's the early opener clause. That's just going to be pointless meetings (if they happen at all). I fully expect they will drag this out until 2020 or so. The pilot group has 0 leverage.

08-29-2015 | 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wt932051

Anyone know when you might get a new TA? The last contract looks like it had it's last snapback on pay back in 2011. Just curious.

We have 3 more "snap backs". We go back to 12 days of sick leave, from our concessionary 10 days on 1/1/16, we go to our higher pay rates from the 1/1/12 pay table as of our 4/20/16 paycheck, and our final full pay "snap back" 1/1/15 pay table, will occur no later than March 2017. As mentioned already we open up negotiations in March 2016.

SIDE NOTE: management needs to understand that these are NOT raises!

08-30-2015 | 09:27 AM

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The pilot group has 0 leverage.

For now. LCC's are not going to be immune from the retirement wave at the legacies.

08-30-2015 | 11:25 AM

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For now. LCC's are not going to be immune from the retirement wave at the legacies.

I understand what you're referring to, and agree - we're NOT immune.

I think a bunch of 30-40something F9ers will be riding that wave into the seniority lists vacated by those Legacy retirees. We will open contract negotiations in March 2016, and will see what level of interest Indigo has in retaining pilots by paying a competitive wage.

They strike me as a group who would be happiest if they could lower the average seniority, by any means, without regard to the intangible assets experience brings to the operation. Come for the fun coworkers and quick upgrades, but split as soon as the BBD comes along.

Legacy retirements will have a big impact on Frontier's seniority list, and hiring

08-30-2015 | 01:41 PM

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Thanks for the responses. I have the 2007 contract and was trying to figure out what is what in 2015. Is there a link to a more current one that shows when these snap backs occur? I'm hoping to get on with Frontier soon.

08-30-2015 | 02:42 PM

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2007 is the correct contract. reference LOA 67 at the back.

09-01-2015 | 05:10 PM

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2 leases on 319's scheduled to return this year were extended 13 months. Another lease on a 3rd 319 was extended 16 months.

I've heard there is negotiations on all but 2 of the 319s scheduled to be returned next year.