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Old 03-31-2016 | 12:36 PM
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Anyway to update the application or do you have to submit a new one?
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Old 03-31-2016 | 02:26 PM
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On the issue of commuting home via positive space jump seats: most guys used them to go home unless they lived in a difficult to get to place. No reason not to use them. You can study at home or in an airplane as easily as in DEN. F9 will not book positive space between DEN - ORD or DEN -MCO.

I used a positive space to visit my brother in PBI. Coming home we diverted to DFW due to Snowmageddon. I got kicked off of my positive space Jumpseat from the Captain because two other pilots were commuting to work. Yep, total bull****. Flight cancelled and it was a moot point. Try not to leave yourself with zero options due to a Captain not understanding the program.
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Old 03-31-2016 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Arty13
I emailed Gina every single week and got a positive space jump seat for my commute both ways. I just told her I needed extra observations (which I felt was true... can't have too many, type of thing). They are perfectly fine with that. Just have a plan and don't miss a commute.
This post may be innacurate, as I'm being told that a limit of four is now in place. It has apparently hurt commuters. Makes sense with all the new hires.
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Old 03-31-2016 | 09:38 PM
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Brand new here and you are already ****ed that guys that have been here much much longer than you got the jump seat for real work... Not going on a "vacation" using what is supposed to be TRAINING? Ok....


Anyways.... MERRY SNAP-BACK day everyone!



Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
On the issue of commuting home via positive space jump seats: most guys used them to go home unless they lived in a difficult to get to place. No reason not to use them. You can study at home or in an airplane as easily as in DEN. F9 will not book positive space between DEN - ORD or DEN -MCO.

I used a positive space to visit my brother in PBI. Coming home we diverted to DFW due to Snowmageddon. I got kicked off of my positive space Jumpseat from the Captain because two other pilots were commuting to work. Yep, total bull****. Flight cancelled and it was a moot point. Try not to leave yourself with zero options due to a Captain not understanding the program.
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Old 03-31-2016 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by newhire1234
Anyway to update the application or do you have to submit a new one?
I just did it today actually. Go to 'Edit Profile.' You go through all your basic stuff, you can upload a new resume (I skipped this part), and on the last page there is an area where you can put plain text (cut and paste) additions to your resume. Seemed pretty easy. I didn't upload a new resume only because I was just adding one line, but if you have major changes for whatever reason maybe you would upload a new resume. I thought I read somewhere on this thread that there's a max number of resumes that you can have on there. I currently have two and can't figure out how to delete them if I wanted to.
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Old 04-01-2016 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
On the issue of commuting home via positive space jump seats: most guys used them to go home unless they lived in a difficult to get to place. No reason not to use them. You can study at home or in an airplane as easily as in DEN. F9 will not book positive space between DEN - ORD or DEN -MCO.

I used a positive space to visit my brother in PBI. Coming home we diverted to DFW due to Snowmageddon. I got kicked off of my positive space Jumpseat from the Captain because two other pilots were commuting to work. Yep, total bull****. Flight cancelled and it was a moot point. Try not to leave yourself with zero options due to a Captain not understanding the program.
Think about what you're posting. The program is designed for training purposes. Not inherently to use to commute to and from home. Which most guys, and myself, years ago, did. Complaining in public about getting bumped off the js after visiting your brother at the beach for 2 guys who were going to work isn't probably the smartest thing to do.
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Old 04-01-2016 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
I used a positive space to visit my brother in PBI. Coming home we diverted to DFW due to Snowmageddon. I got kicked off of my positive space Jumpseat from the Captain because two other pilots were commuting to work. Yep, total bull****. Flight cancelled and it was a moot point. Try not to leave yourself with zero options due to a Captain not understanding the program.
I would have kicked you out as well chief. You had a jumpseat from PBI to DEN.

Oh, welcome to Frontier.
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Old 04-01-2016 | 10:16 AM
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Hey guys, regional FO here who just cracked 2500TT last month. I meet the requirements and I'm going to the Sun N Fun career fair next week. It's my first career fair so any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 04-01-2016 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NoCoairbus
Think about what you're posting. The program is designed for training purposes. Not inherently to use to commute to and from home. Which most guys, and myself, years ago, did. Complaining in public about getting bumped off the js after visiting your brother at the beach for 2 guys who were going to work isn't probably the smartest thing to do.
Observation flights are a required part of the training curriculum. Part of the reason of the training department confirming a Jumpseat is that they see the value of both the new hire receiving line training as well as being present and available to take their sims as scheduled.

My home base is ORD. There is no confirmed seats from DEN to ORD. That's why I choose to complete my required training to a destination that I could be assured a ride back for my scheduled sims. It doesn't matter if that destination was Palm Beach or Milwaukee. It was required training that I was doing.

Looking a the big picture, I would presume the company would prefer the trainee getting to DEN and not missing a scheduled sim, hence the confirmed seating. If someone misses a sim, there is substantial cost involved to the company. At the very minimum it would cost another 4 hours of scheduled sim time, a slot with an instructor, and a seat sub. And there is also the delay in completing training. If a line pilot can't make it to work there is a reserve to take his/her place and the operation continues as planned. There are no reserve contingencies in place for a missed sim slot.

Sorry if it came off as complaining. I was just merely trying to tell the person who is coming behind me that 'confirmed seating' for the observation rides may not be as confirmed as one thinks.
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Old 04-01-2016 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer
Observation flights are a required part of the training curriculum. Part of the reason of the training department confirming a Jumpseat is that they see the value of both the new hire receiving line training as well as being present and available to take their sims as scheduled.

My home base is ORD. There is no confirmed seats from DEN to ORD. That's why I choose to complete my required training to a destination that I could be assured a ride back for my scheduled sims. It doesn't matter if that destination was Palm Beach or Milwaukee. It was required training that I was doing.

Looking a the big picture, I would presume the company would prefer the trainee getting to DEN and not missing a scheduled sim, hence the confirmed seating. If someone misses a sim, there is substantial cost involved to the company. At the very minimum it would cost another 4 hours of scheduled sim time, a slot with an instructor, and a seat sub. And there is also the delay in completing training. If a line pilot can't make it to work there is a reserve to take his/her place and the operation continues as planned. There are no reserve contingencies in place for a missed sim slot.

Sorry if it came off as complaining. I was just merely trying to tell the person who is coming behind me that 'confirmed seating' for the observation rides may not be as confirmed as one thinks.
I get your thinking, but I think in the extreme example you provide it would be more appropriate for the company to provide you a seat in the back, to ensure you get to training, not to bump a second commuter. Or at least trade spots with the commuter so you can observe.

Bottom line is the Captain controls the jumpseat.

In all seriousness though, welcome aboard.
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