My comment was only in reference to BOD updates and I should have been more specific. We all know the company is doing everything they can to stall so what else do you expect to hear? Assuming the worst isn't unrealistic.

Management has proven they will step over dollars to pick up pennies... they think they are saving money by dragging out LOA 67. The only thing they are doing is p***ing us off and firming our unity.

 

I agree, if there's one thing Frontier has accomplished over the last year it's uniting our pilot group. The 93% ALPA vote is proof. Seems like even the most ardent kool aiders are starting to see the light.

 

I didn't think attrition was that high, but checked with a FFT ALPA rep and I was wrong. 5-8/month are heading for the exits. Your numbers are probably better estimates - if growth continues as planned.

My Miss Cleo subscription expired, but I think **just my GUESS** is PHX for the next domicile. AMR is pulling down there, and dumping a lot of their gates as the leases end this year, we had a MX base there and Indigo's HQ is there.

 

Give me a friggin break. I don't think a quick little email from the BOD is asking too much. Everyone I fly with is over the continuing lack of communication.

 

I'm happy getting information when there's something to report. Communications come through Herndon now so I expect a new level of professionalism for the added dues. The MEC rep I spoke to said we'd have something by Monday.

My **guess** is the company is going to try and make the negotiation, which are specifically for increasing pay per LOA 67, into cash for some give elsewhere. That will lead to a grievance / expedited arbitration, and slow the progression of negotiations. Beer bet anyone?

 

Fingers crossed!

 

I got bored so I ran some numbers for the next 10 years of our careers and as a comparison to Frontier. I took current projected upgrade times at all of the major carriers and calculated based on hourly rate x 1000 hours a year (probably wouldn’t fly that much but should be able to credit 1000 per year in additional soft time. Also these numbers are for narrow body to narrow body. So Delta, United, and American are based on A320 Rates as a comparison. Of course upgrade times may change and contract rates will also vary. But it gives insight into what the pay differences are. Here is what I came up with:

These are average yearly salaries (gross) earned over the next 10 years.


Frontier (4 year upgrade): 115K
Hawaiian (7 year upgrade) 143K
United (5 year upgrade) 187K
Alaska (7 year upgrade) 134K
Delta (3 year upgrade) 170K
American (7 year upgrade) 174K
Fed EX (5 year upgrade) 198K

These are all CURRENT pay rates and only accounts for Hourly flying.
Year 10 everyone would be a Captain and is as follows.

Frontier: 156K
Hawaiian: 206K
United: 244K
Alaska: 206K
Delta: 206K
American: 231k
Fed Ex: 273K

This would just be the next 10 years and doesn't include 401k contributions. Over a career for someone starting now the big 3 and Fed Ex means literally MILLIONS of dollars more in pay and retirement over Frontier. Even for guys that have been at the airline for 10 years would still make more money if they left here. I know this isn't news but putting it on a spread sheet made me realize how vast the difference actually is.

I think it comes down to this. Frontier can be a great place to work. I had always wanted to work here and feel fortunate to have the opportunity to do so. But with these kind of numbers I'm really hoping that they will do something to make people want to stay.

 

So I put in an app a few months back being just shy of mins by about 150 hours. App was rejected but no biggie. I'm flying 85 per month at Republic. I got the MCO invite back in April and I went. I left pretty motivated hoping to get a call. I got a call today. The recruiter asked if I was willing to go to Great Lakes in order to get to mins. I said I had already gotten there and the response I got was "great, you should go to aerocrew in Dallas." Am I missing something here?Im a little confused over this haha.

 

Thanks for compiling this DP8. Stark!

 

Those numbers don't do the pay parity even a little justice... If you wanted to do that just for fun, you should've run the numbers for our 10 year captains and a 3rd year Airbus fo at delta or United... They make more and that's not even close