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Old 03-22-2017 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by A319
Actually, it seems like most people love flying with me. I let them do whatever they want so long as it fits within the four corners of the FOMs.

You're post is wrong, I said we SHOULD be paid at least what Spirit makes, if not more, they are our peers. People here just want a reason to complain and it is very frustrating.

I don't ever pull the "I am the Captain card," unless I absolutely have to. I will quickly overrule anyone who is trying to take illegal work actions into their own hands. There is absolutely no reason to admonish someone for doing their job correctly, which is basically what happened to me. Why do you care what color my lanyard is? That's none of your business.

By the way, I would be very careful on here, many people are basically admitting to illegal work actions. These people who are constantly running the APU and insisting on two engine taxi everywhere, and writing up the smallest, stupidest things, it will catch up with you...
Thanks for setting the bar high and saying we should at least be making Spirit pay.

Wearing the lanyard is a show of solidarity among our pilot group and what we're all fighting for. I'd ask you wear it to show you stand with our negotiating committee and union. In my opinion not wearing it makes you look uninterested and disengaged. If you think rocking your Broncos lanyard is more important, have at it.
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Old 03-22-2017 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by A319
I said we SHOULD be paid at least what Spirit makes, if not more, they are our peers.
Sorry man, but we should be making 40% more than Spirit (and so should they). Our peers are US Airbus operators. Anything less and we've done a great disservice to our profession.

That's around $80 million additional for a new CBA, which is roughly 25% of what Indigo profited last year. That would leave them with $250mm in cash after all is said and done. We aren't even CLOSE to affecting the bottom line by demanding what we are worth. It's our money!
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Old 03-22-2017 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
Good lookin out, chilli!
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Old 03-22-2017 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ovrtake92
Wow. Hahahaha. I guess we are militant at Spirit compared to this sort of drivel

Pathetic isn't it? It really is a relatively small amount of people doing single engine taxi, but the number of Kool-aid drinkers seems to be climbing lately.
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Old 03-22-2017 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by madmax757
Here. I was a bit off. Its more destinations than Spirit, but we will have 130 weekly departures.

Frontier Airlines adding 16 new flights to Las Vegas schedule this summer | Las Vegas Review-Journal
For reference, that's almost an average of 19 departures a day. I believe spirit will have 33-34 a day this summer, with around 140 captains/125 first officers.
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Old 03-22-2017 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Missed Appch
but the number of Kool-aid drinkers seems to be climbing lately.
What's that based on?
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Old 03-22-2017 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
Guys and gals. It's about time to declare a ceasefire and re-focus. We all want the same thing, a vastly improved contract. Some of us disagree on the length of time this will take and the methods being used to accomplish this task. We pay our dues and elect our union leadership, we may not like every elected individual but this union still belongs to us. Our union is currently trying to unify us, but we have to participate; this informational picketing is less for the company and more for us! Do you have questions about the contract bargaining process and can make yourself free on 19APR? If so, then you are in luck because there will be plenty of union reps there to answer questions. I'm sure we will be meeting at our ALPA MEC office next door to the G.O. There will be more to this pilot gathering than standing around with signs on Tower Rd.

Some disclosure, I'm a former regional pilot that had turned anti-ALPA. And I wasn't that excited to see ALPA come on property. But I'm impressed with the speed and efficiency demonstrated by our ALPA team in advancing our agenda via RLA process. In my opinion, the only way to accomplish the task of securing a vastly improved improved contract are with methods currently being utilized. After all, it is Indigo Partners we have been dealt. Yes, it would feel good to "stick it to the man" but we can't organize a slow-down in any fashion if we wish to continue making progress via legal means.

We were in negotiations for 6 months before being granted a mediator, that is unreal! We surely have the most favorable mediator that our union could ask for, out of a dozen other options. This ball is in our court, the time to unify is now.

Throw on your uniform, (dust off your hats) and please join me at the picket. We're your friends and your co-workers, regardless of your opinions, we want all of you there.
I agree with the fact that we don't need to be at one another's throats - that's exactly what Tower Road and Indigo want.

I still think we would've been better served to remain FAPA. I believe that behind closed doors - when the rubber meets the road - those guys in Herdon, VA at ALPA are not looking out for us in the long run. They want to support the old school business model of the legacy carriers. They view Frontier as a glorified regional.

We must stick together. Whether it be a sports team lanyard or a ALPA lanyard, I'm just not much of a lanyard guy. It's just not my sytle, but I am going to start wearing an orange lanyard.

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Old 03-22-2017 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by A319
Actually, it seems like most people love flying with me. I let them do whatever they want so long as it fits within the four corners of the FOMs.

You're post is wrong, I said we SHOULD be paid at least what Spirit makes, if not more, they are our peers. People here just want a reason to complain and it is very frustrating.

I don't ever pull the "I am the Captain card," unless I absolutely have to. I will quickly overrule anyone who is trying to take illegal work actions into their own hands. There is absolutely no reason to admonish someone for doing their job correctly, which is basically what happened to me. Why do you care what color my lanyard is? That's none of your business.

By the way, I would be very careful on here, many people are basically admitting to illegal work actions. These people who are constantly running the APU and insisting on two engine taxi everywhere, and writing up the smallest, stupidest things, it will catch up with you...
The first sentence says it all. Please do us all a favor and stop posting here. You're making us all look bad.
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Old 03-22-2017 | 06:21 PM
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Amazing.

Post 7401 speaks of pilot unity, etc. Post 7402 is another example of pilot vs. pilot bashing.

I guess it's just in our nature...
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Old 03-22-2017 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie Chow
I agree with the fact that we don't need to be at one another's throats - that's exactly what Tower Road and Indigo want.

I still think we would've been better served to remain FAPA. I believe that behind closed doors - when the rubber meets the road - those guys in Herdon, VA at ALPA are not looking out for us in the long run. They want to support the old school business model of the legacy carriers. They view Frontier as a glorified regional.

We must stick together. Whether it be a sports team lanyard or a ALPA lanyard, I'm just not much of a lanyard guy. It's just not my sytle, but I am going to start wearing an orange lanyard.

Unity.
Behind closed doors or not, I think ALPA National sees our 2007 contract as an anchor that is dragging down the collective average for pilot pay and retirement. Maybe I've got that wrong, but regardless they seem to be motivated to get us "into the pattern."
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