DEC what to actually expect?
11-07-2022, 06:30 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Oct 2022
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Then go to Skywest IDGAF
I’m just saying a lot of the contracts with increased pay have a time limit then they correct back down. It’s a regional. Come in, make your money, then leave. I’m just saying it’s not as bad as people on this bs message board make it out to be.
11-07-2022, 09:19 PM
#12
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2022
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by TaiMaiShu
I’m just saying a lot of the contracts with increased pay have a time limit then they correct back down. It’s a regional. Come in, make your money, then leave. I’m just saying it’s not as bad as people on this bs message board make it out to be.
No one is showing up for INDOC, the company has a net loss of pilots nearly every single month. People are leaving in flocks. Anyone that doesn’t have an app out in this hiring market and thinks this place will be around in 6 months is pretty naive.
11-08-2022, 06:24 AM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2022
Posts: 149
There's always gonna be people who struggle to get out. These are the kind of people Gojet preys upon and the only reason it's still around. A small group of once great people who get so mentally beaten down by the abuse at Gojet that they can't stand up and leave. Like prisoners wanting to stick with the daily routine because they're afraid of change and uncertainty.
11-08-2022, 06:50 AM
#15
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Posts: 37
I get it, but I’m not sure it was much fun anywhere during Covid. I don’t agree with a lot of the way things get handled, but it’s definitely not as bad as what some of these guys say. There are a few issues lingering that won’t be resolved with the new contract, but it is improving. Pay is expected to increase again as well. I don’t like it either, but I don’t expect to match the pay of a 76 seater. I also haven’t seen anyone as disgruntled as this guy in a long time.
11-17-2022, 10:58 AM
#16
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 7
Originally Posted by TwoDaysBehind
Gojet is less than half the number of pilots they had several years ago, with twice as many air frames (half sit in storage). As CA you won't have much time off, and you won't get to go home unless required by 117. Once you're on a trip, you're treated as a reserve, and you'll serve 168 hours before they have to let you go home. Once they get ahold of you again... six more days.
Gojet have about 92 captains and 190 first officers, and losing 30-40 a month as people see the writing on the wall. FOs are overstaffed, so they're not building hours to upgrade. Morale was better during the furloughs than it is now. First officers still haven't received a pay raise, and CA pay severely lags with 22% in response to the 60-90% raises in the rest of the industry.
See other posts about how pointless it is going to Gojet. You'll get a training failure because they're too cheap to pay for Gojet instructors to teach your class, so you'll never learn the stuff they ask in the oral. The checking pilots don't do any favors just because you are DEC - they hold everyone to a high but somewhat non-transparent standard. Should you get through IOE, you'll probably have a short career as Gojet shutdown is very likely. It's not a professional or functioning airline at this point, it's a United management pet project being kept alive as price leverage against Skywest, and because they've invested and advertised the Aviate program as a fully integrated program, and don't have anyone else who can take over the flying just now (but they will as soon as possible, Gojet is in deep breach of contract with UA, but UA doesn't have any better alternatives right now).
With Gojet you'll be serving approximately 10-15 airports mostly from EWR. It's that small, ie you don't fly the whole country like Skywest or any other regional. Gojet is just a slot stuffer in EWR, a cheap pawn in United's game with the EWR/FAA slot program. Two years ago Gojet was relegated to just short hop (30-45 minute flying time per leg) for constant pressure on the slots in EWR, so you'll be doing two turns a day to the worst airport in the world.
Just to highlight how bad it is... Gojet hired a new person dedicated to processing all the people quitting.
Gojet have about 92 captains and 190 first officers, and losing 30-40 a month as people see the writing on the wall. FOs are overstaffed, so they're not building hours to upgrade. Morale was better during the furloughs than it is now. First officers still haven't received a pay raise, and CA pay severely lags with 22% in response to the 60-90% raises in the rest of the industry.
See other posts about how pointless it is going to Gojet. You'll get a training failure because they're too cheap to pay for Gojet instructors to teach your class, so you'll never learn the stuff they ask in the oral. The checking pilots don't do any favors just because you are DEC - they hold everyone to a high but somewhat non-transparent standard. Should you get through IOE, you'll probably have a short career as Gojet shutdown is very likely. It's not a professional or functioning airline at this point, it's a United management pet project being kept alive as price leverage against Skywest, and because they've invested and advertised the Aviate program as a fully integrated program, and don't have anyone else who can take over the flying just now (but they will as soon as possible, Gojet is in deep breach of contract with UA, but UA doesn't have any better alternatives right now).
With Gojet you'll be serving approximately 10-15 airports mostly from EWR. It's that small, ie you don't fly the whole country like Skywest or any other regional. Gojet is just a slot stuffer in EWR, a cheap pawn in United's game with the EWR/FAA slot program. Two years ago Gojet was relegated to just short hop (30-45 minute flying time per leg) for constant pressure on the slots in EWR, so you'll be doing two turns a day to the worst airport in the world.
Just to highlight how bad it is... Gojet hired a new person dedicated to processing all the people quitting.
GJ is still flipping 2 planes a month. They obviously aren't going to fly planes that haven't been converted to 550s yet, so what else do they have to do with them besides putting them in storage? They wouldn't still be flipping aircraft or putting people in class if "the writing was on the wall." Everyone knows they're still in contract negotiations too, so it's not as if they are holding back pay rates for the fun of it.
11-17-2022, 11:25 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Nov 2022
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by blueskiesonly
Sorry to hear you were unsuccessful in what should be a walk-in-the-park training program. As they say, the most disgruntled ones speak the loudest.
GJ is still flipping 2 planes a month. They obviously aren't going to fly planes that haven't been converted to 550s yet, so what else do they have to do with them besides putting them in storage? They wouldn't still be flipping aircraft or putting people in class if "the writing was on the wall." Everyone knows they're still in contract negotiations too, so it's not as if they are holding back pay rates for the fun of it.
GJ is still flipping 2 planes a month. They obviously aren't going to fly planes that haven't been converted to 550s yet, so what else do they have to do with them besides putting them in storage? They wouldn't still be flipping aircraft or putting people in class if "the writing was on the wall." Everyone knows they're still in contract negotiations too, so it's not as if they are holding back pay rates for the fun of it.
Actually, they’ve halted conversions a while ago per a lead maintenance guy that came on my plane in STL. So yet again, you’re passing out a false hope in order to recruit people in hopes that you can save your own job in the process. It’s not about anyone being disgruntled. It’s about the **** poor management, poor pay compared to literally every single airline minus, what, Cape Air?
We currently have enough CA’s to actively fly MAYBE 20 planes. With 50+ being already converted, any one with any logic would know that money is not going to be spent along with man hours from MX to continue converting planes that we don’t have pilots to fly. There is literally no point in continuing conversions right now.
The amount of misinformation being spewed out through your fingers is appalling.
When TSA folded, there were people who had just been put in class, people in upgrades, etc. until instructors came in and told everyone to go home. I’d be curious if you actually know how many people are showing up for indoc and upgrading, because regardless, the airline as a whole continues to be at a net loss of pilots on every single seniority list that comes out. It’s only a matter of time before the company closes.
11-17-2022, 08:45 PM
#19
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 7
Originally Posted by Vtailbo
Actually, they’ve halted conversions a while ago per a lead maintenance guy that came on my plane in STL. So yet again, you’re passing out a false hope in order to recruit people in hopes that you can save your own job in the process. It’s not about anyone being disgruntled. It’s about the **** poor management, poor pay compared to literally every single airline minus, what, Cape Air?
We currently have enough CA’s to actively fly MAYBE 20 planes. With 50+ being already converted, any one with any logic would know that money is not going to be spent along with man hours from MX to continue converting planes that we don’t have pilots to fly. There is literally no point in continuing conversions right now.
The amount of misinformation being spewed out through your fingers is appalling.
When TSA folded, there were people who had just been put in class, people in upgrades, etc. until instructors came in and told everyone to go home. I’d be curious if you actually know how many people are showing up for indoc and upgrading, because regardless, the airline as a whole continues to be at a net loss of pilots on every single seniority list that comes out. It’s only a matter of time before the company closes.
We currently have enough CA’s to actively fly MAYBE 20 planes. With 50+ being already converted, any one with any logic would know that money is not going to be spent along with man hours from MX to continue converting planes that we don’t have pilots to fly. There is literally no point in continuing conversions right now.
The amount of misinformation being spewed out through your fingers is appalling.
When TSA folded, there were people who had just been put in class, people in upgrades, etc. until instructors came in and told everyone to go home. I’d be curious if you actually know how many people are showing up for indoc and upgrading, because regardless, the airline as a whole continues to be at a net loss of pilots on every single seniority list that comes out. It’s only a matter of time before the company closes.
11-18-2022, 06:23 AM
#20
Fly me to the Moon
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 76
Originally Posted by Vtailbo
Actually, they’ve halted conversions a while ago per a lead maintenance guy that came on my plane in STL. So yet again, you’re passing out a false hope in order to recruit people in hopes that you can save your own job in the process. It’s not about anyone being disgruntled. It’s about the **** poor management, poor pay compared to literally every single airline minus, what, Cape Air?
We currently have enough CA’s to actively fly MAYBE 20 planes. With 50+ being already converted, any one with any logic would know that money is not going to be spent along with man hours from MX to continue converting planes that we don’t have pilots to fly. There is literally no point in continuing conversions right now.
The amount of misinformation being spewed out through your fingers is appalling.
When TSA folded, there were people who had just been put in class, people in upgrades, etc. until instructors came in and told everyone to go home. I’d be curious if you actually know how many people are showing up for indoc and upgrading, because regardless, the airline as a whole continues to be at a net loss of pilots on every single seniority list that comes out. It’s only a matter of time before the company closes.
We currently have enough CA’s to actively fly MAYBE 20 planes. With 50+ being already converted, any one with any logic would know that money is not going to be spent along with man hours from MX to continue converting planes that we don’t have pilots to fly. There is literally no point in continuing conversions right now.
The amount of misinformation being spewed out through your fingers is appalling.
When TSA folded, there were people who had just been put in class, people in upgrades, etc. until instructors came in and told everyone to go home. I’d be curious if you actually know how many people are showing up for indoc and upgrading, because regardless, the airline as a whole continues to be at a net loss of pilots on every single seniority list that comes out. It’s only a matter of time before the company closes.
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