GojetFires

Hi Homie,
You missed my point. Might the large number of posted vacancies mean they are making places available for about 150 Gojet Captains to come over? Probably not but I'm hoping for your thoughts and others on the possibility.

Str8 Cash Homie

I understood where you were going with it. If SkyWest thought the 550 had any future past the next year or two they wouldn’t have leased the 700’s.

I’m just pointing out the vacancy report could list 500 upgrade openings and we’d maybe get 80 spots filled on a good month. The reality is SkyWest will probably get to the point of 20 or 30 FO’s per month that meet the requirements of the 1,000 121/135 flight time requirement to upgrade.

After the new weights from the FAA the 550 needs to be scrapped in my opinion. I would be absolutely shocked if United pilots allowed the weights to increase for scope compliance to make the 550 investment worth while in the long run. We should all be upset if they sold out mainline jobs for a quick buck, but I’m not concerned about it. No way they’d even consider it.

GojetFires

Opps, I guess I'm writing while assuming more of my thoughts are coming through than I wrote. I wasn't even thinking about the 550s, just all the Captain slots with immediate training openings. First year Capt pay at SW is now 140k but a pilot with 5 years of 121 experience would go to SW at their new rate of $158.95. SW could take every GJ Captain and put him/her into training in the same month. I guess if UAL actually values the 550 they would come too. Skywest tends to know all and have everything planned out to the tee before anything in the industry happens.

GojetFires

It looks like one of the planes is back flying. Looks like 40 planes are flying and 28 are grounded.

Sturgill

If I come on as a Street Captain am I going to be flying a little, 75 hours, or as much as I can take?

LAXtoDEN

Have you lost your mind?

TwoDaysBehind

If you join Gojet as DEC, what will happen is...

... What will happen is.... Drumroll....

You'll go in all bedazzled and amazed at how laid back it is... You'll study your limitations, your systems and your sop. Then the examiner will ask something totally different, be offended that you didn't study it, and ask you to elaborate on something you never even heard of. Probably thread wear in winter operations or terps parameters for an airport Gojet used to fly out of five years ago.

You will be told you did okay on the oral, but let's mark it unsat so you can go review a few more SOP pages and you'll talk about them with another examiner the next day. It's for safety, to help you grow, to make sure you'll have a better grasp of things.

You get to the simulator, and everything goes great. You're using resources and managing your speed. Then the sim will freeze suddenly during a single engine go-around, the examiner will be all red in the face and ask you to look at your airspeed. It's 15 knots higher than V2, and you're a few degree off your heading too. So you're told you did a great job, but let's try that maneuver again next week.

Congratulations, you just added a decade of self inflicted hiring ban at any major airline. You're now in a deep ditch, a muddy hole, and you have to spend the greatest hiring cycle in aviation history proving you've learned your lesson and improved yourself before you can move on. The training failure voids your flows, and limits your journey onwards.

Gojet, or any regional for that matter, have extremely marginal training programs, but the KV standards for Captain are much higher than for First officer. You cannot expect Gojet examiners to let anything slide just because you entered as a street Captain. Entire classes - everyone - have failed. DEC failure rate is very high, although many resign before attempting the checkride when they realize the instructors (who are Flight Safety contractors who've never flown a Gojet airplane) didn't teach them properly. Gojet examiners, Flight Safety teachers. A lot gets missed by the ground school instructors.

Strenyakov

Come on, Gojet would not do that any more than it would fire someone for taking FMLA, or for taking military leave. GoJet would never fire someone who was diagnosed with breast cancer just to save a couple hundred thousand dollars on its self insured medical insurance. Ignore the court decisions, the admissions, the payouts, and the rumors. Please ignore all the facts and stick with what you would like to believe, that Gojet follows the law and deep down is run by good people with good motives, people who CARE!

GoJet is a magical place. Their VP of Operations testified in Federal Court that they could take a pilot they terminated 4 years earlier, give him one Sim, a Sim check and put him out on the line. He said he saw no reason the FAA would not approve that. GoJet is a truly blessed place where miracles are possible. No other airline would even try that, but GoJet would get it done.

This is not a GoJet problem, this is an industry problem where pilots just don't have enough FAITH! If we can all just have FAITH then GoJet will get the pilots it needs, fly the beautiful 550s, and add 500 new planes!.

Can I have a big AMEN!

TwoDaysBehind

It's not really a Gojet specific training problem. Street captain is a very, very dubious proposition to begin with. Which would be fine if the consequences of a failure are in proportion to the benefit.

The risk/reward going DEC at Gojet is a decade of working for Gojet or more likely never working in the airline industry at all, and the reward is a slight shortcut to some TPIC. There are better ways, such as upgrade where you are, or be an FO for a few hundred hours so you get a clue before being evaluated.

Sturgill

I appreciate the input. Are you saying that GoJet examiners will intentionally tank a checkride so that the guy will be stuck at GoJet? I am a qualified, typed, successful CRJ captain. In a fair fight I should be able to pass a legitimate checkride. However, I have seen some bad examiners in action, so I know stuff like that can happen.