A few questions about gojets current state
01-11-2023, 09:19 AM
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A few questions about gojets current state
Hey everyone I just wanted to see if I could get any answers from people currently at gojet on some items before I apply there
What are currently the most junior bases?
What is the vacation/leave policy? (Could I get time off if my wife and I have a child)
How is reserve flying currently? I am just going to be gone all the time if I don't get RIC or IAD?
What is the current training footprint?
What are currently the most junior bases?
What is the vacation/leave policy? (Could I get time off if my wife and I have a child)
How is reserve flying currently? I am just going to be gone all the time if I don't get RIC or IAD?
What is the current training footprint?
01-12-2023, 07:02 PM
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Junior base: EWR. They advertise you can get any base you ask for, but they have a history of changing everyone in a class to EWR. They offer generous commuter policy so your hotels are paid for.
Vacation: 2 weeks after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5 years.
Leave: You can ask the Chief for unpaid leave and it's usually granted. They'll deplete your sick time, then your vacation time, and terminate your health insurance at the 30-day mark (they don't want to, it's just their policy to keep their costs down). You can take unpaid leave indefinitely, but they'll pretty much terminate you at 30 days unless you go FMLA or get an LOA, to make sure you're not running up a health insurance bill.
For having a baby, you either need to be friendly with the Chief, or just call off sick and use up sick time/get marked no-show/refusing to fly when called by scheduling, and deal with the fallout later. They don't fire you for going below your allotted sick time.
The last two questions depend entirely on whether you're FO or CA/DEC. FOs are currently overstaffed, so you may not fly at all at the bottom of the list. As Captain you will fly 4 legs every day, including your days off, and you'll have 11-12 days off a month or less.
Over the last year, post-covid, very few new-hire FOs have stuck it out to get the hours to upgrade or flow, they leave while in training or shortly after finishing IOE and getting on reserve for a few months, where they rarely get called to fly. Most new-hires leave to go Spirit/JB/Flex/whatever when they realize they don't have Captains to fly with at Gojet, and thus will never build the requisite hours.
The rare breed of FOs that are upgrading have been with the airline for a long time due to living in base or being close to flow in Aviate. But there's a large number of senior/lifer/experienced First Officers who are waiting on Aviate and NOT upgrading (the upgrade checkride is a big risk due to a poor training footprint/program), which is taking all the flight hours away from new-hire FOs, and contributing to their gridlocked career progression for new-hires.
Basically, until CA/FO ratios are in balance, Gojet is a dead-end for new-hire FO and a lethal workload for Direct Entry Captain. There's no quick fix or quick turn-around, they need to lose a bunch of FOs to Aviate/other carriers and shrink significantly before a new-hire FO can have the standard career progression at Gojet and CA Quality of Life return to livable.
Vacation: 2 weeks after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5 years.
Leave: You can ask the Chief for unpaid leave and it's usually granted. They'll deplete your sick time, then your vacation time, and terminate your health insurance at the 30-day mark (they don't want to, it's just their policy to keep their costs down). You can take unpaid leave indefinitely, but they'll pretty much terminate you at 30 days unless you go FMLA or get an LOA, to make sure you're not running up a health insurance bill.
For having a baby, you either need to be friendly with the Chief, or just call off sick and use up sick time/get marked no-show/refusing to fly when called by scheduling, and deal with the fallout later. They don't fire you for going below your allotted sick time.
The last two questions depend entirely on whether you're FO or CA/DEC. FOs are currently overstaffed, so you may not fly at all at the bottom of the list. As Captain you will fly 4 legs every day, including your days off, and you'll have 11-12 days off a month or less.
Over the last year, post-covid, very few new-hire FOs have stuck it out to get the hours to upgrade or flow, they leave while in training or shortly after finishing IOE and getting on reserve for a few months, where they rarely get called to fly. Most new-hires leave to go Spirit/JB/Flex/whatever when they realize they don't have Captains to fly with at Gojet, and thus will never build the requisite hours.
The rare breed of FOs that are upgrading have been with the airline for a long time due to living in base or being close to flow in Aviate. But there's a large number of senior/lifer/experienced First Officers who are waiting on Aviate and NOT upgrading (the upgrade checkride is a big risk due to a poor training footprint/program), which is taking all the flight hours away from new-hire FOs, and contributing to their gridlocked career progression for new-hires.
Basically, until CA/FO ratios are in balance, Gojet is a dead-end for new-hire FO and a lethal workload for Direct Entry Captain. There's no quick fix or quick turn-around, they need to lose a bunch of FOs to Aviate/other carriers and shrink significantly before a new-hire FO can have the standard career progression at Gojet and CA Quality of Life return to livable.
01-13-2023, 09:28 AM
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Junior base: EWR. They advertise you can get any base you ask for, but they have a history of changing everyone in a class to EWR. They offer generous commuter policy so your hotels are paid for.
Vacation: 2 weeks after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5 years.
Leave: You can ask the Chief for unpaid leave and it's usually granted. They'll deplete your sick time, then your vacation time, and terminate your health insurance at the 30-day mark (they don't want to, it's just their policy to keep their costs down). You can take unpaid leave indefinitely, but they'll pretty much terminate you at 30 days unless you go FMLA or get an LOA, to make sure you're not running up a health insurance bill.
For having a baby, you either need to be friendly with the Chief, or just call off sick and use up sick time/get marked no-show/refusing to fly when called by scheduling, and deal with the fallout later. They don't fire you for going below your allotted sick time.
The last two questions depend entirely on whether you're FO or CA/DEC. FOs are currently overstaffed, so you may not fly at all at the bottom of the list. As Captain you will fly 4 legs every day, including your days off, and you'll have 11-12 days off a month or less.
Over the last year, post-covid, very few new-hire FOs have stuck it out to get the hours to upgrade or flow, they leave while in training or shortly after finishing IOE and getting on reserve for a few months, where they rarely get called to fly. Most new-hires leave to go Spirit/JB/Flex/whatever when they realize they don't have Captains to fly with at Gojet, and thus will never build the requisite hours.
The rare breed of FOs that are upgrading have been with the airline for a long time due to living in base or being close to flow in Aviate. But there's a large number of senior/lifer/experienced First Officers who are waiting on Aviate and NOT upgrading (the upgrade checkride is a big risk due to a poor training footprint/program), which is taking all the flight hours away from new-hire FOs, and contributing to their gridlocked career progression for new-hires.
Basically, until CA/FO ratios are in balance, Gojet is a dead-end for new-hire FO and a lethal workload for Direct Entry Captain. There's no quick fix or quick turn-around, they need to lose a bunch of FOs to Aviate/other carriers and shrink significantly before a new-hire FO can have the standard career progression at Gojet and CA Quality of Life return to livable.
Vacation: 2 weeks after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5 years.
Leave: You can ask the Chief for unpaid leave and it's usually granted. They'll deplete your sick time, then your vacation time, and terminate your health insurance at the 30-day mark (they don't want to, it's just their policy to keep their costs down). You can take unpaid leave indefinitely, but they'll pretty much terminate you at 30 days unless you go FMLA or get an LOA, to make sure you're not running up a health insurance bill.
For having a baby, you either need to be friendly with the Chief, or just call off sick and use up sick time/get marked no-show/refusing to fly when called by scheduling, and deal with the fallout later. They don't fire you for going below your allotted sick time.
The last two questions depend entirely on whether you're FO or CA/DEC. FOs are currently overstaffed, so you may not fly at all at the bottom of the list. As Captain you will fly 4 legs every day, including your days off, and you'll have 11-12 days off a month or less.
Over the last year, post-covid, very few new-hire FOs have stuck it out to get the hours to upgrade or flow, they leave while in training or shortly after finishing IOE and getting on reserve for a few months, where they rarely get called to fly. Most new-hires leave to go Spirit/JB/Flex/whatever when they realize they don't have Captains to fly with at Gojet, and thus will never build the requisite hours.
The rare breed of FOs that are upgrading have been with the airline for a long time due to living in base or being close to flow in Aviate. But there's a large number of senior/lifer/experienced First Officers who are waiting on Aviate and NOT upgrading (the upgrade checkride is a big risk due to a poor training footprint/program), which is taking all the flight hours away from new-hire FOs, and contributing to their gridlocked career progression for new-hires.
Basically, until CA/FO ratios are in balance, Gojet is a dead-end for new-hire FO and a lethal workload for Direct Entry Captain. There's no quick fix or quick turn-around, they need to lose a bunch of FOs to Aviate/other carriers and shrink significantly before a new-hire FO can have the standard career progression at Gojet and CA Quality of Life return to livable.
01-13-2023, 09:29 PM
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Junior base: EWR. They advertise you can get any base you ask for, but they have a history of changing everyone in a class to EWR. They offer generous commuter policy so your hotels are paid for.
Vacation: 2 weeks after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5 years.
Leave: You can ask the Chief for unpaid leave and it's usually granted. They'll deplete your sick time, then your vacation time, and terminate your health insurance at the 30-day mark (they don't want to, it's just their policy to keep their costs down). You can take unpaid leave indefinitely, but they'll pretty much terminate you at 30 days unless you go FMLA or get an LOA, to make sure you're not running up a health insurance bill.
For having a baby, you either need to be friendly with the Chief, or just call off sick and use up sick time/get marked no-show/refusing to fly when called by scheduling, and deal with the fallout later. They don't fire you for going below your allotted sick time.
The last two questions depend entirely on whether you're FO or CA/DEC. FOs are currently overstaffed, so you will not fly much at all at the bottom of the list. As Captain you will fly 4 legs every day, including your days off, and you'll have 11-12 days off a month or less.
Over the last year, post-covid, very few new-hire FOs have stuck it out to get the hours to upgrade or flow, they leave while in training or shortly after finishing IOE and getting on reserve for a few months, when they realize they rarely get called to fly. Most new-hires go Spirit/JB/Flex/whatever when they realize they don't have Captains to fly with at Gojet, and thus will never build the requisite hours.
The rare breed of FOs that are upgrading have been with the airline for a long time due to living in base or being close to flow in Aviate. But there's a large group of senior/lifer/experienced First Officers who are waiting on Aviate and NOT upgrading (the upgrade checkride is a big risk due to a poor training footprint/program), which is taking all the flight hours away from new-hire FOs, and contributing to their gridlocked career progression for new-hires.
Basically, until CA/FO ratios are in balance, Gojet is a dead-end for new-hire FO and a lethal workload for Direct Entry Captain. There's no quick fix or quick turn-around, they need to lose a bunch of FOs to Aviate/other carriers and shrink significantly before a new-hire FO can have the standard career progression at Gojet and CA Quality of Life return to livable.
Vacation: 2 weeks after 1 year, 3 weeks after 5 years.
Leave: You can ask the Chief for unpaid leave and it's usually granted. They'll deplete your sick time, then your vacation time, and terminate your health insurance at the 30-day mark (they don't want to, it's just their policy to keep their costs down). You can take unpaid leave indefinitely, but they'll pretty much terminate you at 30 days unless you go FMLA or get an LOA, to make sure you're not running up a health insurance bill.
For having a baby, you either need to be friendly with the Chief, or just call off sick and use up sick time/get marked no-show/refusing to fly when called by scheduling, and deal with the fallout later. They don't fire you for going below your allotted sick time.
The last two questions depend entirely on whether you're FO or CA/DEC. FOs are currently overstaffed, so you will not fly much at all at the bottom of the list. As Captain you will fly 4 legs every day, including your days off, and you'll have 11-12 days off a month or less.
Over the last year, post-covid, very few new-hire FOs have stuck it out to get the hours to upgrade or flow, they leave while in training or shortly after finishing IOE and getting on reserve for a few months, when they realize they rarely get called to fly. Most new-hires go Spirit/JB/Flex/whatever when they realize they don't have Captains to fly with at Gojet, and thus will never build the requisite hours.
The rare breed of FOs that are upgrading have been with the airline for a long time due to living in base or being close to flow in Aviate. But there's a large group of senior/lifer/experienced First Officers who are waiting on Aviate and NOT upgrading (the upgrade checkride is a big risk due to a poor training footprint/program), which is taking all the flight hours away from new-hire FOs, and contributing to their gridlocked career progression for new-hires.
Basically, until CA/FO ratios are in balance, Gojet is a dead-end for new-hire FO and a lethal workload for Direct Entry Captain. There's no quick fix or quick turn-around, they need to lose a bunch of FOs to Aviate/other carriers and shrink significantly before a new-hire FO can have the standard career progression at Gojet and CA Quality of Life return to livable.
01-17-2023, 03:54 AM
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I’ll agree with a lot of what TwoDaysBehind said, but I think we’re a lot closer to being balanced between CA and FO. I haven’t been junior manned/extended since last summer, so it may depend on your base. If you find a place right now with enough captains to keep everyone flying and don’t sit reserve for so long go there, but good luck finding one right now.
01-31-2023, 08:05 PM
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Not to contradict TwoDays but to bring in another time line, much of what he says depends upon if you have been here a year or not. After a year you get FMLA so if you have a baby and need to bond then you are entitled to that. That does not mean that Gojet will give it to you, they don't really care what the law says. Know the FMLA rules! It is a little better than it was a while back because a pilot's doctor put him on a medicine that the FAA required him to not fly for 60 days. GoJet decided to show him they don't keep people around who take FMLA leave and fired him while still on FMLA leave. The VP even put their plan into an email because he was a real idiot and he was trying to impress the base manager with his manliness. They knew the guy was an active attorney in Chicago but Gojet thought they were smarter. He explained to them their errors and what it would cost them to go against him. He offered to settle for zero dollars just to keep flying and avoid the hassle. But GoJet likes to show us pilots who the bosses are and told him to pound sand. After 4 years of litigation Gojet lost in a jury trial. Gojet appealed the verdict and so he appealed the size of the damage award. After another 3 years of appeals the Federal Appellate Court rule against Gojet on every issue. The Appellate Court ruled in his favor on his appeal saying the damages formula used was flawed, yielding too small an award. Gojet then went to him asking for mercy. After paying the damages, and interest, and attorney fees, the case was settled 7 years later. Including their own attorney fees, Gojet probably paid between 2.5 million and 3 million.
After that they take FMLA a little more seriously but they still screw around quite a bit. If you come here you need to know the FMLA, you need to know the military leave rules. HK is an accountant and he schemes to take every dollar you are owed and put it into his pocket. And, it is not like that is something that is hidden. You need to understand that if you get sick or injured that after 84 days at most, that you are on your own, no medical coverage. You need to have a backup plan or plan on paying COBRA costs. Buy some real
insurance.
After that they take FMLA a little more seriously but they still screw around quite a bit. If you come here you need to know the FMLA, you need to know the military leave rules. HK is an accountant and he schemes to take every dollar you are owed and put it into his pocket. And, it is not like that is something that is hidden. You need to understand that if you get sick or injured that after 84 days at most, that you are on your own, no medical coverage. You need to have a backup plan or plan on paying COBRA costs. Buy some real
insurance.
01-31-2023, 10:17 PM
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Gojet flight department is openly hostile towards minorities and responds to complaints against racist captains with "tough luck, what you gonna do?". Respective First Officer quit a few weeks later in response.
Absolutely disgraceful management at Gojet.
They may have improved, but in a just world nobody should get away with anything, ever. Never let Gojet move past it's sins without atonement.
Absolutely disgraceful management at Gojet.
They may have improved, but in a just world nobody should get away with anything, ever. Never let Gojet move past it's sins without atonement.
02-01-2023, 07:02 AM
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To what extent is this whole medical thing true? If you have a major health event that needs care, they will find a way to fire you? What if you have a simple thing like you need a tooth removed/dental work and you need to take a few days off? Will they curate a checkride and find a way to fire you as well so they don’t have to pay?
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