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Old 08-24-2008 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AirWillie
Paxhauler how does it feel that Gojet has better pay and work rules than that joke of an operation out there in the Southwest? Get real. I'm pulling for you guys though, hopefully you can all change the nice industry wide reputation for Mesa pilots.
It feels no different than our contract being inferior to every other contract in the regional world.

Don't get too high up on your horse. Your ability to look down your nose at Mesa is debatable.

I apologize if I came across the wrong way in my earlier post. I was simply stating that you could have problems down the road if a decision to hire you came to a ex-TSA pilot.
Old 08-24-2008 | 06:32 PM
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airwillie. i love watching you dance! id like to meet you personally one day.
Old 08-24-2008 | 07:13 PM
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Last I checked....Mesa CRJ-700's ultimately end up making more money than Gojet Capt's. 94 an hour vs 90....which again mind you is 3 dollars less and hour than our Senior 200 Capt's at AWAC

In all honesty Airwillie....when you jumpseat...who do you work for? Gojet Airlines??? or Trans States Holdings???

And again...because your screen name belittles my Airline...I now propose you be refered to as "Slagathor".....as to not longer draw any confusion to anybody else on this forum.
Old 08-24-2008 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bond
I agree with you, but somehow the "unholy trinity" continues to try to spin the fact that the company was created to avoid negotiating good rates with TSA.

Airwillie reminds me of Farva in Supertroopers! Bottom line is that the facts have been in for sometime, and nothing the gojets guys say is going to change the universal truth....they are nothing more than CONTRACT WORKERS, a real pilot would never do what they've done and continue to do to the TSA guys.

So lets recap (after how many pages now?), gojets = no jumpseat, no respect from the rest of the industry, and gamble with your career.

Next...........
Again, I'm not out on the line, however from the many guys that I have talked to this whole thing about being denied jumpseats is just not true. Yes it did happen back when GJ started but the commuters do not have any problems. It was mainly a TSA thing however that was quickly solved by firing a few guys. As far as a gamble of going to GJ, why? Guys are going everywhere including all the places actually worth going to as ALPA carriers, at least up until hiring slowed. I don't know from what I've seen everyone is tight knit and it seems like GJ employees are excited to be there, you get hellos and highs from random people, it's still growing and there's a lot of opportunity here. It's unfortunate that there are still misconceptions out there.

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Old 08-24-2008 | 09:04 PM
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I wouldn't deny a GoJet guy a jumpseat at UPS. We have a reciprocal agreement with them and it's wrong to play games with that. Some UPS guy could be needing a ride on Gojet someday. I don't think it's right to make the jumpseat a tool to push your personal agenda.
Old 08-24-2008 | 10:58 PM
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Ask yourself these questions if your thinking about accepting a job at GoJets.



Do people get hired at majors without a 4 year degree?

Do people get hired at majors with a history of checkride failures?

Do people get hired at majors with DUI's?

Do people get hired at majors after working at GoJets?

Do those who cross picket lines get hired at majors?



I think the answer to the above questions is "yes"



With the job market as competitive as it is, are you willing to lessen your
chances for your dream job?
Old 08-25-2008 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by captscott26
Ok guys, I have a question and I would like an honest answer. This is not some flamebait thread, so serious responses only please......

I am furloughed from Spirit in Sept and on the job search. I was looking at the airline profiles on APC and I saw that GoJet is now union(teamsters). I know that a few years ago flying for GoJet was not the thing to do...and let me say that I am 100% pro union, and would never do anything to go against any of my union brothers. I was curious if anything had changed over there or with their reputation in the regional community. I have never flown for a regional, and have only been a 121 pilot for 9 months, so please excuse me if this question seems stupid or offensive to anyone. I am just trying to figure out what my options are.

Thanks to all who can help.

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Old 08-25-2008 | 06:54 AM
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I don't see how any of this is relevant to new hires at GoJet. Is it a new FO's fault that this stuff happened 5, or 6 years ago? I can almost assure you that most pilots who take a job there have no idea these issues even exist, and to treat them as if they are scabs with not allowing jumpseats/blacklisting/denying hiring seems pretty unfair, petty, childish...whatever you want to call it. If not for these forums I would have no clue about this crap. Honestly how many regionals were originally created on this premise are now considered "legit"(Taking flying someone else didn't want to do)? This has been going on ever since deregulation(capitalism). Everyone working at a regional, at least for the first few years, are working for less than they should. To say one airline is "lowering the bar" for the rest of the industry is a bit hypocritical......Sorry for being all over the place there, its early

p.s. I do not, nor have I, nor do I plan on working at GoJet. Just thought I'd pipe in a bit
Old 08-25-2008 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
I don't see how any of this is relevant to new hires at GoJet. Is it a new FO's fault that this stuff happened 5, or 6 years ago? More applicants showing up only strengthens their pilot group thus justifying their existance. I can almost assure you that most pilots who take a job there have no idea these issues even exist, ...so going outside and shooting someone in the face because you didnt know it was wrong is okay? If you're that ignorant with your career I dont know what to tell you. and to treat them as if they are scabs with not allowing jumpseats/blacklisting/denying hiring seems pretty unfair, petty, childish...whatever you want to call it. It's gonna happen...plain and simple. Other pilots have their reasons and all that crap. You can call it what you want...it's still going to happen. If not for these forums I would have no clue about this crap. Honestly how many regionals were originally created on this premise are now considered "legit"(Taking flying someone else didn't want to do)? This has been going on ever since deregulation(capitalism). ...so when did we 'not want' this flying? Oh yeah...when we were offered it at CRAP wages and with loopholes all over the proposal. Now my job is gone directly as a result of GoJet. It doesnt sound like I 'didnt want' to fly those routes or airplanes. Everyone working at a regional, at least for the first few years, are working for less than they should. To say one airline is "lowering the bar" for the rest of the industry is a bit hypocritical......Sorry for being all over the place there, its early

p.s. I do not, nor have I, nor do I plan on working at GoJet. Just thought I'd pipe in a bit
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Old 08-25-2008 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
I don't see how any of this is relevant to new hires at GoJet. Is it a new FO's fault that this stuff happened 5, or 6 years ago? I can almost assure you that most pilots who take a job there have no idea these issues even exist, and to treat them as if they are scabs with not allowing jumpseats/blacklisting/denying hiring seems pretty unfair, petty, childish...whatever you want to call it.

Well first off, if you people were smart, did some research and talked to people in the industry, then they would have known what they were getting into by accepting the job at GoJet. If they didn't do that, well then they deserve every bit of what they got by accepting any job offer that falls in front of their face.

Second, what happened in the past does matter and it probably will not be forgotten. If you join the Nazi party or the KKK, does it make it ok because you were not there when they did horrible things. That answer is no, it is not ok. Even though it happened in the past, by accepting the job, you are becoming a part of an organization and taking on everything that comes with it.



.....I am in no way saying GoJet, its employees, or anyone related to them are Nazis or in the KKK. It was to relate the principals of the matter that you need to look into someones past and just because you are new does not erase the past.
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