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Old 10-30-2008 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by daretoaviate
If not mistaken few TSA guys got fired for not letting GJ pilots on the airplane. Not sure what exactly happend but few friends of mine that work on TSA an GJ where talking about it. Its funny cause you are talking about consequences .
They did and as noted above, they got their job back and then some. No concequences for us for denying jumpseats to contract workers, as I said earlier sometimes this RJ's are just overweight!

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Old 10-30-2008 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fatmike69
Haha...wouldn't that be a sight at the airport, a bunch of pilots fighting it out somewhere. Although I was a personal witness to a gang-fight that broke out between the rampers on the tarmac in ORD about 2 years ago. I guess if they can stoop that low, why not pilots as well . Was anyone else there that day (although I think it has happened more than once)? Man that was a mess, it involved quite a few people, and shut operations down for quite a while. I think they made more than 20 arrests, but not sure.
I don't know, if I saw a ramper fight, I think I would run for cover....somehow I think you would see more than fist flying around!
Old 10-30-2008 | 10:17 AM
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Especially in PHL. However, I think this is about right. Just substitute pilot uniforms.

Old 10-30-2008 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
Especially in PHL. However, I think this is about right. Just substitute pilot uniforms.

HAHA! THat is about right, nice!
Old 10-30-2008 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bond
I love how all of you guys open with "I don't work for gojet but"...that's the whole point, to get under your skin and make you realize that you're better off cleaning toilets than working at gojets.
Let me put the ball in your court again. What you are saying about Gojets, could easily be said about you. You seem to be all bothered about them taking "your job," but are more than happy to have the airplanes on your property and taking a job away from a mainline pilot. Have you even realized that mainline is furloughing because they are getting rid of the guppy, and these are the Replacement Jets for the guppy along with the aircraft you fly at TSA, and at the other express carriers. Do you see or hear any mainline pilots dening you jump seats or calling you out in the terminal. I for one don't and I am one of those losing my job next year. Yes we gave up the flying just as you guys gave up the flying also (which I believe is the reason TSA lost on the scope in court.)
Old 10-30-2008 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mach93
Let me put the ball in your court again. What you are saying about Gojets, could easily be said about you. You seem to be all bothered about them taking "your job," but are more than happy to have the airplanes on your property and taking a job away from a mainline pilot. Have you even realized that mainline is furloughing because they are getting rid of the guppy, and these are the Replacement Jets for the guppy along with the aircraft you fly at TSA, and at the other express carriers. Do you see or hear any mainline pilots dening you jump seats or calling you out in the terminal. I for one don't and I am one of those losing my job next year. Yes we gave up the flying just as you guys gave up the flying also (which I believe is the reason TSA lost on the scope in court.)

Well, the thing is, if mainline proposed just taking it all back, we'd all be very happy to go along and take seniority numbers at mainline... Even stapled to the bottom! As for why mainline guys aren't denying us jumpseats? They're the ones who said they didn't want to fly the RJ's in the first place... We would ALL be better off right now if they'd kept all jet flying at mainline... But that's history, so all we can do is try to keep the bar as high as we can... That's the major problem with the Hojet people, the sole purpose of that airline is to lower the bar and keep the TSA pilots from being paid fairly. THAT is why we hate them, that is why they're not ever welcome on our jumpseats.
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Originally Posted by Mach93
Le. Yes we gave up the flying just as you guys gave up the flying also (which I believe is the reason TSA lost on the scope in court.)
TSA didn't give up the flying, it was taken away from them. They said no to the terms not the flying.
Old 10-30-2008 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TBucket
That's the major problem with the Hojet people, the sole purpose of that airline is to lower the bar
Last I checked Mesaba and Pinnacle's 90 seat rate are the same at Gojets 70 seat rate. So they are lowering the bar also, right? Are you denying them access to your jumpseats and calling them out in public (for lowering the bar?)
Old 10-30-2008 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mach93
Let me put the ball in your court again. What you are saying about Gojets, could easily be said about you. You seem to be all bothered about them taking "your job," but are more than happy to have the airplanes on your property and taking a job away from a mainline pilot. Have you even realized that mainline is furloughing because they are getting rid of the guppy, and these are the Replacement Jets for the guppy along with the aircraft you fly at TSA, and at the other express carriers. Do you see or hear any mainline pilots dening you jump seats or calling you out in the terminal. I for one don't and I am one of those losing my job next year. Yes we gave up the flying just as you guys gave up the flying also (which I believe is the reason TSA lost on the scope in court.)
I don't fly for TSA, I fly for XJT, not that it matters because it doesn't change the reality of what gojets is....an alter-ego. All the TSA guys wanted was better rates for the "guppy replacement" jet as you call them. Look, I believe all jet flying should be done by mainline regardless of seats; but it does not change the fact that gojets was created to undermine an existing contract, to lower the bar...it was a management's way of saying "if you're not willing to work for peanuts, we’ll find a few replacement workers that will do it".

If you have a beef with regional flying in the grand scheme of things, I suggest you talk to all the guys that were at the majors in the mid 90's. They had the option of flying the baby jets, but their egos were too big for them. Nonetheless, alter-egos like gojets are good for one thing and one thing only, to undercut an existing contract/pilot group...history has proved this twice in the past 10 years - Freedom A, and of course gojets. There's no way to justify it.

Oh, and one more thing, United is retiring the 73's because of poor leadership at the top, not because of the existing feeders.
Old 10-30-2008 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mach93
Last I checked Mesaba and Pinnacle's 90 seat rate are the same at Gojets 70 seat rate. So they are lowering the bar also, right? Are you denying them access to your jumpseats and calling them out in public (for lowering the bar?)
They're real airlines...poor pay or not, they are still real airlines not alter-egos. Surely you can tell the difference, or you choose to ignore it every day when you look at yourself in the mirror.
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