C130driver

Ah I see, so when in your opinion would the scale be balanced? Would it be when we have a black president? Would it be when we don't have a single job description in America that disqualifies someone based on race/ethnicity/gender? Because, you know, these things have already happened. So when in your opinion would the scales be balanced versus those evil white privileged old men?

N10DJ

1. With the OP's idea that "100%" of the time the ladies and people of color get hired before the other "oppressed white males" then I'm surprised that the class pictures at the major airlines don't look more like 90% female and color with 2 or 3 white men thrown in the mix to keep it diverse. Reason I say this is because there's are hundreds of qualified non white males. If that happened you would probably lose your Sh** lol. But truth is it doesn't. In actuality a minority looks at a class with 30 slots they have to think to themselves "I hope I get one of the 5 spots" where as a white male can say "I hope I get one of the 25 spots."

2. When you look at a class of new hires I think it's safe to say that most people aren't looking at the white males and saying "they probably aren't even qualified for the job." But it is safe to say that people are looking at the minorities in the group and thinking something of the sort. When you don't question the white male group in the first place to know if they are "qualified" then there's no way you can say that females or minorities are getting the calls That they should be getting.

Truth is I know of a couple white males myself who spent 2-3 years at a regional straight from flight instructing and got picked up at majors with 0 to very little amounts of PIC. Outside of the people who knew them, no one even thought to question their ability or qualifications because it's just not something that happens. No one ever questions the white male qualifications the way others quals would be questioned.

But at the end of the day the airline can do whatever they want so if you see an issue just let them know during your interview when they ask "why should we pick you?" Just say your more qualified than all the minorities they keep putting in class

JohnBurke

I don't believe that I have ever been in or taught a new hire class in which I questioned whether those attending were qualified to be in the class. Regardless of skin tone, ethnicity, hair style, shoe size, sex, gender, or any other trivial and irrelevant metric, the mere fact that the individual had been vetted, interviewed, sim checked, and found worthy to be in the class put the student's qualification beyond my interest. Already addressed by the Chief Pilot, HR, check airmen and a hiring panel.

It's rarely whether someone is qualified, but how well qualified, and that's a very subjective question best answered by the performance of the applicant. The applicant's skin tone or mode of genetalia don't speak to that question at all.

tom11011

I also checked female on my application. These days where boys are girls and girls are boys, anything is possible. I also tried on some clothes at Target the other day in the ladies dressing room, no questions asked. It's just how I felt that day.

Anyway, to make a long story short, I've got offers from United, Delta, and American.

AuxPumplow

I think some people who are calling white men racist / misogynistic are missing some points. Ask yourself some hypothetical questions.

If you or your loved one needed brain surgery to survive, is one of the prerequisites that they need to be a minority or a woman? Are you OK choosing a doctor who is less qualified/experienced, or maybe might have received some sort of favoritism just because of how they were born? And therefore less qualified. Most (normal) people the answer is a resounding no. You look for the best, most qualified, most experienced doctor money can buy.
Was the problem with th colgan crash the fact that there's was only one woman up front? Not two. Would two women have made the difference because they were women? What if they were black? Still a difference?

Now with that being said, the regionals vs majors are a rat race and a scam. And delta, American, and United can do whatever the **** they want. But let's be honest. If they are hiring people who are less qualified bc of minority or female status. Then yes. There's something to be said for that. Why are we OK with people who might be less qualified flying jets around with us and our families on board?

Roguesquadren2

Using the UAL data presented on this thread you are assuming all 407 WM were more "qualified" (by your definition of "qualified") than the others hired?

Roguesquadren2

How do you feel about white males less "qualified" (according to your definition of qualified) being hired before minorities/females? I'll say this a white male with 2500 civilian hours was in my legacy new-hire class.

It's insulting for y'all to sit here and bi**h about minorities/females getting hired with "lower qualifications" when in all actuality more white males with "lower qualifications" have been hired.

Ludicrous Speed

Oh please. Not another "oppressed white male" thread. Give me a break!

kevbo

Minimum experience requirements apply to everyone except minorities, military, and the chief pilots son. Getting turned down for a job is your permission to imbellish experience.

AuxPumplow

Huh?
Dude. Did you even read my post? Or do you just wanna bash white people?