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06-10-2020, 03:03 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Fascinating... assuming there is no spin there I did not realize that. Learn something new every day...
I guess the question becomes that once SC severed ties with the Union if that specific agreement would still legally be in effect? Obviously the Union would argue yes, and SC would argue no. I'm not a lawyer but it would seem there may have been precedent with international/contract law? I dunno.
On the other hand SC did have a good point that when the Union tried to resupply Sumter that was an act of war by the Union.
I guess the question becomes that once SC severed ties with the Union if that specific agreement would still legally be in effect? Obviously the Union would argue yes, and SC would argue no. I'm not a lawyer but it would seem there may have been precedent with international/contract law? I dunno.
On the other hand SC did have a good point that when the Union tried to resupply Sumter that was an act of war by the Union.
There aren't any monuments to Hitler in Germany...and as of today NASCAR has banned any Confederate flag from being displayed at all events and properties. That's what we call progress.
06-10-2020, 05:23 PM
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Worth noting... we've had two civil wars in America.
Both were instigated and led by the same kind of people: accomplished and (usually) educated military officers of the old regime.
Both were instigated and led by the same kind of people: accomplished and (usually) educated military officers of the old regime.
06-10-2020, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AirbusPTC
As to the question of "why" the civil war was fought. You don't need to believe a Prager U video. Just read the "Cornerstone speech" by VP Stephens. Read the proclamations and speeches of southern leaders said were the reasons for war. In 7 out of 11 states the #1 reason was to preserve slavery. The other states is was #2 o#3. Don't believe me, don't believe Prager U., read the speeches for yourself. The state legislatures voted to go to war to preserve slavery period end of story. Do a little research.
The war was fought over secession and the right of the southern states to peacefully leave the Union. They left the Union, in part, because of slavery. But that is not why the war was fought.
06-10-2020, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Negative.
The war was fought over secession and the right of the southern states to peacefully leave the Union. They left the Union, in part, because of slavery. But that is not why the war was fought.
The war was fought over secession and the right of the southern states to peacefully leave the Union. They left the Union, in part, because of slavery. But that is not why the war was fought.
Remember, the division was not clean across state lines, it ran through communities and families. Just like in the first civil war.
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06-11-2020, 05:54 AM
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White refugees sailed over and proceeded to clear native tribal resistance to their arrival. Not long after, to help with all the work being done, imported was another tribal group from elsewhere, legally purchased and traded in the now seemingly limitless property available. A lot of bloody fighting ensued to maintain this hegemony as it spread out coast to coast. Not content with advantages held there, they joined and waged bloody fighting in the lands refugeed from to lessen perceived threats to their interests going forward. And to secure freedom and justice, for all. Wasn't long before others got the idea for themselves and proceeded to advance their own version of order in ways made pretty uncomfortable for any opposed. Lots of bloody fighting everywhere. I'm not really sure how lucky or unlucky this current generation will be. Such is the nature of luck. But if they can manage to do something about the constant fighting, maybe they'll earn a nice statue or something similar, on the internet.
06-13-2020, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Worth noting... we've had two civil wars in America.
Both were instigated and led by the same kind of people: accomplished and (usually) educated military officers of the old regime.
Both were instigated and led by the same kind of people: accomplished and (usually) educated military officers of the old regime.
06-13-2020, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
What were the two civil wars?
06-14-2020, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Technically neither were true civil wars because they were not trying to topple the original government. They were both wars of secession.
I do agree with your position. War of secession has clear meaning. It is not clear what civil war means. RickAir's definition seems overly broad. Was the Bolshevik Revolution also a civil war? The Korean War?
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06-14-2020, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The first one was the revolutionary war. Many military officers in the nominal service of the King led that insurrection. Including one Colonel G. Washington.
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