Pilot Extremist Behavior & Ramifications
01-10-2021, 06:15 PM
#41
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Our dear Lt Col is not the only military member in hot waters:
https://news.yahoo.com/least-25-troo...002410441.html
At least 25 troops are under investigation for terrorism related to Wednesday's siege at the Capitol, according to a Defense official and a member of Congress.
01-10-2021, 06:33 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by trvsmrtn
He flew for Hillwood Airways and has already been fired. Some members of Congress on the Armed Services Committee are discussing recalling him to active duty to face charges and he could lose his pension.
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01-10-2021, 06:52 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
question for ex-mil guys...how long after you separate from the military can you be recalled? Is there an equivalent of “statute of limitations” on recall to military service? Is it different if you are being recalled for duty (WW3) vs being recalled for a UCMJ trial.
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For officers, I’m pretty sure we are subject to recall for the rest of our lives, but there are some caveats.
01-10-2021, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
question for ex-mil guys...how long after you separate from the military can you be recalled? Is there an equivalent of “statute of limitations” on recall to military service? Is it different if you are being recalled for duty (WW3) vs being recalled for a UCMJ trial.
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if you are receiving retired pay (or eligible for the same) then you can be recalled for UCMJ action for offenses after discharge.
a court recently upheld this rule (which a lower court had previously set aside). Another more recent case (Larrabee) put some limits on this, however. This case may see the Supreme Court, who knows. So the answer is "maybe"
if the offense was committed on active duty then you can be recalled for court martial so long as the statute of limitations has not expired.
for recall to service it is different for officers vs. enlisted, too lazy to look up specifics, but technically an officer can be recalled unless they resign their commission (vs. retire/separate)
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01-10-2021, 09:06 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by navigatro
, but technically an officer can be recalled unless they resign their commission (vs. retire/separate)
Yes, an officer is *technically* on the hook until they actually resign their commission, or it gets removed for cause or HYT.
If you're retired, you still hold the commission for life and are subject to recall, typically for national emergency but they could do it for a court martial. That would most typically be for crimes committed while on AD, but technically they can get you for acts committed after retirement... this was recently re-affirmed by the supreme court. That's rare, but this might be one of those times.
I'm pretty sure it's possible to resign your commission and still get paid the retirement (grey areas reservists can do this for sure, with caveats). Probably worth checking that out if you're planning on annoying city hall.
That's for active duty, I honestly don't know for sure about reservists.
01-11-2021, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueridger
Just another delusional loser, er I mean “winner”. At least he came prepared with his wannabe boy-scout gear.
01-11-2021, 05:20 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by WickedSmaht
Understood, and rightfully so. My point being that in the article the author notes that the captain in question was partially identified by his campaign contributions to Trump. I opine that should not be a factor for anyone and there is concern that those very records will be used to marginalize (or worse) anyone who gave $25 bucks to Trump and had it recorded on a federally mandated list who's intent is not to compile information for that purpose. We should not be using that information to use as a cudgel in anyone's professional life. Again, this particular case is a different animal and I have no issue with that. This guy seems to be missing a few neurons regardless of who he votes for and that alone should be the determining factor (along with any potential criminal activity or harassment) for any sort of action by his employer. I have no beef with what's happening to him in the macro, just a deep concern for an element of how it was discovered who he was.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
They rarely ever do that, but I think it may be possible. Typically not necessary, since they can charge you for anything serious via the civil system, and if it's just minor UCMJ chicken-poop, why bother?
But politics...
But politics...
01-11-2021, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Brock was arrested by the FBI today on federal charges.
If he actually attempted to organize current or retired mil members to an insurrection, then I could see UCMJ being relevant. In that case he's acting in a military capacity. By "insurrection" I mean organized application against the gov of military/paramilitary combat power by movement, maneuver, fire, etc. As opposed to a riot... what I saw in DC looked like a riot. CHAZ for example was closer to insurrection, they seized and held sovereign US territory by force of arms.
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