Pilot Extremist Behavior & Ramifications
#51
Another pilot identified, albeit not civilian (or maybe he was after the military career)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/air-force...s-senate-floor
https://www.foxnews.com/us/air-force...s-senate-floor
#52
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#53
IMO that's more appropriate than UCMJ. Rioting is a civilian thing. But the mil could still get around to him... civil charges do not preclude double jeopardy, that is N/A for civil + UCMJ.
If he actually attempted to organize current or retired mil members to an insurrection, then I could see UCMJ being relevant. In that case he's acting in a military capacity. By "insurrection" I mean organized application against the gov of military/paramilitary combat power by movement, maneuver, fire, etc. As opposed to a riot... what I saw in DC looked like a riot. CHAZ for example was closer to insurrection, they seized and held sovereign US territory by force of arms.
If he actually attempted to organize current or retired mil members to an insurrection, then I could see UCMJ being relevant. In that case he's acting in a military capacity. By "insurrection" I mean organized application against the gov of military/paramilitary combat power by movement, maneuver, fire, etc. As opposed to a riot... what I saw in DC looked like a riot. CHAZ for example was closer to insurrection, they seized and held sovereign US territory by force of arms.
#54
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The charges filed on all of these guys are pretty weak. We currently only have an acting AG and he probably didn’t even bother moving into the office. I’m betting that the DOJ is waiting on Garland to give them some kind of direction regarding how hard he wants to hammer these guys.
As far as recalling Brock to AD for a courts-martial, I think they’re going to wait and see how these Articles of Impeachment go. There are supposed to be multiple charges, but the only one for now is inciting an insurrection. If Trump is impeached for that charge, and especially if the Senate convicts, then you can’t have current and former military officers allowed to participate in an insurrection.
“Hey, weren’t you that LtCol who was in the Capitol with zip ties during the insurrection?”
”Yea, but I still have my pension, so **** it!”
Not a good look.
As far as recalling Brock to AD for a courts-martial, I think they’re going to wait and see how these Articles of Impeachment go. There are supposed to be multiple charges, but the only one for now is inciting an insurrection. If Trump is impeached for that charge, and especially if the Senate convicts, then you can’t have current and former military officers allowed to participate in an insurrection.
“Hey, weren’t you that LtCol who was in the Capitol with zip ties during the insurrection?”
”Yea, but I still have my pension, so **** it!”
Not a good look.
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I'm sure some of the people who got arrested tend bar or drive a fork-lift in a warehouse, but the media doesn't bother reporting what they do or who they work for. Pilot and/or mil officer on the other hand...
#56
Going after the pension and tricare of these upper suburbanite LARPers would be a more effective punishment than some nominal physical confinement in clubFed. We had one such retiring O-5 get in trouble at my last duty station, and that guy jumped over his own rear to get .mil to agree to his plea of taking actual physical confinement in lieu of loss of retirement benefits. And all that dude did was sniff the neighbor's wife's panties without permission to the premises.
That's how you know you hit the target. That's the metric that actually tracks with this demographic. Everybody is a tough guy until they touch that monthly ACH credit and your kept wife calls you frantically from the pharmacy saying the tricare won't take; you may have to *gasp* get on the exchange and pay thru the nose for paywalled healthcare like the rest of the wage-serfs on this blasted country.
That's how you know you hit the target. That's the metric that actually tracks with this demographic. Everybody is a tough guy until they touch that monthly ACH credit and your kept wife calls you frantically from the pharmacy saying the tricare won't take; you may have to *gasp* get on the exchange and pay thru the nose for paywalled healthcare like the rest of the wage-serfs on this blasted country.
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Nothing partisan, just an example. I didn't see any images of assault rifles in DC, that was a rally/protest which turned into a riot, not a pre-meditated action to seize and control anything... they got cleaned out pretty quickly, if they had been serious they would have come armed, taken congress-critters hostage and probably still be there (surrounded by the US army.
Over the past month, several people at the Pentagon were fired and replaced with people loyal to Trump, and stories are now circulating that the Pentagon was refusing to dispatch the National Guard when the riots started because they feared how the image of the NG surrounding the Capitol would look. I guess they figured a bunch of rioters inside the halls chanting “Hang Mike Pence” with a noose outside would play better for the world, but I think they were ordered to not deploy the NG or wait on direction from higher up. Either way, everyone responsible For security in DC is suspect because this was expected, but supposedly people said there was no real risk because these were law abiding peaceful republican protesters.
An Austrian hacker was able to go into Parler and download most of the content that had been uploaded to the site, including videos with geotags, messages, account data and more. I’m sure the FBI will be working to get their hands on that data, and then the **** will probably hit the fan.
#58
Nothing partisan, just an example. I didn't see any images of assault rifles in DC, that was a rally/protest which turned into a riot, not a pre-meditated action to seize and control anything... they got cleaned out pretty quickly, if they had been serious they would have come armed, taken congress-critters hostage and probably still be there (surrounded by the US army).
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IMO that's more appropriate than UCMJ. Rioting is a civilian thing. But the mil could still get around to him... civil charges do not preclude double jeopardy, that is N/A for civil + UCMJ.
If he actually attempted to organize current or retired mil members to an insurrection, then I could see UCMJ being relevant. In that case he's acting in a military capacity. By "insurrection" I mean organized application against the gov of military/paramilitary combat power by movement, maneuver, fire, etc. As opposed to a riot... what I saw in DC looked like a riot. CHAZ for example was closer to insurrection, they seized and held sovereign US territory by force of arms.
If he actually attempted to organize current or retired mil members to an insurrection, then I could see UCMJ being relevant. In that case he's acting in a military capacity. By "insurrection" I mean organized application against the gov of military/paramilitary combat power by movement, maneuver, fire, etc. As opposed to a riot... what I saw in DC looked like a riot. CHAZ for example was closer to insurrection, they seized and held sovereign US territory by force of arms.
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Just talking about how perceptions of the events could impact people's careers. Different people might have different perceptions and that's OK.
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