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Old 01-11-2021 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Arturito
Another pilot identified, albeit not civilian (or maybe he was after the military career)

https://www.foxnews.com/us/air-force...s-senate-floor
Former AA pilot, shows resigned from the seniority list post 9/11. No idea what he's done since
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Old 01-11-2021 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
Former AA pilot, shows resigned from the seniority list post 9/11. No idea what he's done since
Already being discussed in previous posts. Rumored that he's already been fired from his current 121 gig.
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Old 01-11-2021 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
IMO that's more appropriate than UCMJ. Rioting is a civilian thing. But the mil could still get around to him... civil charges do not preclude double jeopardy, that is N/A for civil + UCMJ.

If he actually attempted to organize current or retired mil members to an insurrection, then I could see UCMJ being relevant. In that case he's acting in a military capacity. By "insurrection" I mean organized application against the gov of military/paramilitary combat power by movement, maneuver, fire, etc. As opposed to a riot... what I saw in DC looked like a riot. CHAZ for example was closer to insurrection, they seized and held sovereign US territory by force of arms.
The only difference between CHAZ and the Capitol riot was that CHAZ was successful. I have no doubt that the goal was the same. But let's not do like every other post on this message board and veer into partisan political philosophy. The main point is that if you're an airline pilot, you probably don't need to be associating yourself with extreme groups, and voicing extreme opinions, especially if you've left a clear trail with your name and employer. Thats bold, but stupid.
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Old 01-11-2021 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Brock was arrested by the FBI today on federal charges.
The charges filed on all of these guys are pretty weak. We currently only have an acting AG and he probably didn’t even bother moving into the office. I’m betting that the DOJ is waiting on Garland to give them some kind of direction regarding how hard he wants to hammer these guys.

As far as recalling Brock to AD for a courts-martial, I think they’re going to wait and see how these Articles of Impeachment go. There are supposed to be multiple charges, but the only one for now is inciting an insurrection. If Trump is impeached for that charge, and especially if the Senate convicts, then you can’t have current and former military officers allowed to participate in an insurrection.

“Hey, weren’t you that LtCol who was in the Capitol with zip ties during the insurrection?”

”Yea, but I still have my pension, so **** it!”

Not a good look.
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Old 01-11-2021 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
The only difference between CHAZ and the Capitol riot was that CHAZ was successful. I have no doubt that the goal was the same. But let's not do like every other post on this message board and veer into partisan political philosophy.
Nothing partisan, just an example. I didn't see any images of assault rifles in DC, that was a rally/protest which turned into a riot, not a pre-meditated action to seize and control anything... they got cleaned out pretty quickly, if they had been serious they would have come armed, taken congress-critters hostage and probably still be there (surrounded by the US army).

Originally Posted by Margaritaville
The main point is that if you're an airline pilot, you probably don't need to be associating yourself with extreme groups, and voicing extreme opinions, especially if you've left a clear trail with your name and employer. Thats bold, but stupid.
Indeed. In addition to UCMJ/pension issues, you're on the hook for your company's brand image as well as FAA admin actions, ATP good moral character and medical certs. The good moral character clause is rarely applied but I bet if the executive branch pressured the FAA to pull out all the stops they could make it stick if you got convicted of a federal crime.

I'm sure some of the people who got arrested tend bar or drive a fork-lift in a warehouse, but the media doesn't bother reporting what they do or who they work for. Pilot and/or mil officer on the other hand...
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Old 01-11-2021 | 08:28 AM
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Going after the pension and tricare of these upper suburbanite LARPers would be a more effective punishment than some nominal physical confinement in clubFed. We had one such retiring O-5 get in trouble at my last duty station, and that guy jumped over his own rear to get .mil to agree to his plea of taking actual physical confinement in lieu of loss of retirement benefits. And all that dude did was sniff the neighbor's wife's panties without permission to the premises.

That's how you know you hit the target. That's the metric that actually tracks with this demographic. Everybody is a tough guy until they touch that monthly ACH credit and your kept wife calls you frantically from the pharmacy saying the tricare won't take; you may have to *gasp* get on the exchange and pay thru the nose for paywalled healthcare like the rest of the wage-serfs on this blasted country.
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Old 01-11-2021 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Nothing partisan, just an example. I didn't see any images of assault rifles in DC, that was a rally/protest which turned into a riot, not a pre-meditated action to seize and control anything... they got cleaned out pretty quickly, if they had been serious they would have come armed, taken congress-critters hostage and probably still be there (surrounded by the US army.
There was an element in the crowd with premeditated intent, they just weren’t very well organized. There were a number of armed men inside the building, a truck with a dozen napalm-filled Molotov cocktails as well as rifles, at least two IEDs found and disposed of around the city, the leader of the proud boys was arrested for bringing high capacity magazines into the city, and of course the gallows erected at the national mall.

Over the past month, several people at the Pentagon were fired and replaced with people loyal to Trump, and stories are now circulating that the Pentagon was refusing to dispatch the National Guard when the riots started because they feared how the image of the NG surrounding the Capitol would look. I guess they figured a bunch of rioters inside the halls chanting “Hang Mike Pence” with a noose outside would play better for the world, but I think they were ordered to not deploy the NG or wait on direction from higher up. Either way, everyone responsible For security in DC is suspect because this was expected, but supposedly people said there was no real risk because these were law abiding peaceful republican protesters.

An Austrian hacker was able to go into Parler and download most of the content that had been uploaded to the site, including videos with geotags, messages, account data and more. I’m sure the FBI will be working to get their hands on that data, and then the **** will probably hit the fan.
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Old 01-11-2021 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Nothing partisan, just an example. I didn't see any images of assault rifles in DC, that was a rally/protest which turned into a riot, not a pre-meditated action to seize and control anything... they got cleaned out pretty quickly, if they had been serious they would have come armed, taken congress-critters hostage and probably still be there (surrounded by the US army).
I don't know what news channel you're watching, but I saw plenty of people with assault style rifles and other firearms. 2 pipe bombs and about a dozen molotov cocktails were found. And let's not forget the several dudes like Brock running around in full battle gear with plastic handcuffs? Why would you need that if you weren't planning to occupy and take hostages. I'm no partisan and I'm not really into politics, because they're all idiots, but let's not be blind here. These guys are the same sort that tried to take the MI governor hostage. They want to take over the federal government and try those who disagree with them for treason. They were chanting about hanging the VP. They are domestic terrorists, not rioters, not patriots.
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Old 01-11-2021 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
IMO that's more appropriate than UCMJ. Rioting is a civilian thing. But the mil could still get around to him... civil charges do not preclude double jeopardy, that is N/A for civil + UCMJ.

If he actually attempted to organize current or retired mil members to an insurrection, then I could see UCMJ being relevant. In that case he's acting in a military capacity. By "insurrection" I mean organized application against the gov of military/paramilitary combat power by movement, maneuver, fire, etc. As opposed to a riot... what I saw in DC looked like a riot. CHAZ for example was closer to insurrection, they seized and held sovereign US territory by force of arms.
Just a friendly observance....arent you supposed to moderate this kind of political conversation out instead of contributing to it? What does this have to do with Allegiant?
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Old 01-11-2021 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Rockford
Just a friendly observance....arent you supposed to moderate this kind of political conversation out instead of contributing to it? What does this have to do with Allegiant?
The discussion is about public extremism and job security. That's what I'm talking about, not espousing any particular political view one way or another. Move on now.

Just talking about how perceptions of the events could impact people's careers. Different people might have different perceptions and that's OK.

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