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If anyone has a problem with me posting this, please PM me. I offer no opinion.

Riddle's Answers:

1A. No, not for first officers.
The ATP requires 1500 flight hours of and a minimum age of 23. Neither is necessary. Thousands of pilots have entered the Part 121 work force as first officers with less than 1500 hours and younger than 23.
1B. Yes, to knowledge; No, to the age or 1500 hours requirements.
The pilot should also accomplish items in paragraph D of Attachment 1. Graduates from Aviation Accreditation Board, International (AABI) accredited programs meet requirements of paragraph D by virtue of the accreditation.
2A. Yes, supported by results of the Pilot Source Study (2010) conducted by a research team of seven colleges/universities and with new-hire data from six commuter air carriers. This study showed that the most successful pilots in the entry-level airline training were graduates from colleges/universities accredited by AABI.
2B. Yes, pilots from an AABI accredited four-year degree, flight education program should be allowed to enter Part 121 carrier training with degree plus 550 flight hours including at least 100 hours of operational experience as a CFI or some other professional pilot activity. Pilot Source Study supports this conclusion.
2C. Yes, too high. Findings of the Pilot Source Study show that the most successful entry-level first officers are those who have between 500 and 1000 hours, experience as a flight instructor, and graduated from an AABI accredited four-year flight education program.
For pilots from other sources, 750 hours, including 100 hours of operational experience, is about right if academic modules in Attachment 1 completed.
3A. Yes. There should be either a Commercial Pilot Endorsement or a First Officer ATP (Attachment 1).
3B. Attachment 1.
3C. Varies by source of training. The endorsement could be made at 550 hours including 100 hours of operational experience for pilots from AABI accredited programs. For others, endorse at 750 hours including 100 hours of experience plus academic modules.


Part 121 First Officer Airline Transport Pilot Qualification

A. To attain the Part 121 First Officer ATP Qualification the candidate must:

1.have completed the requirements for the private, commercial, instrument, and multi-engine land certificates and ratings under FAR Part 61, 141, or 142
2.have completed the First Officer ATP Qualification academic modules described in paragraph D below.
3.a. for Aviation Accreditation Board International (AABI) accredited four-year flight education degree program graduates, have acquired at least 550 total hours flying time including at least 100 hours of operational flying experience in professional flight activities such as: flight instructor, charter pilot, corporate pilot, Part 91 pilot carrying passengers
b. for graduates from other flight training providers, have acquired at least 750 total hours flying time including at least 100 hours of operational flying experience in professional flight activities such as: flight instructor, charter pilot, corporate pilot, Part 91 pilot carrying passengers
4.have completed the knowledge examination for the Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate
5.be of high moral character.

B. The requirements for A1 may be completed by means of a college/university flight education program or other flight training providers. Graduates from college or university flight education programs accredited by the AABI will have met these requirements by virtue of the accreditation.

C. The requirements for A2 may be completed by the following means:

1.Graduates from college or university flight education programs accredited by the Aviation Accreditation Board International will have met these requirements by virtue of the accreditation.
2.Graduates from other flight training providers must complete the modules described in paragraph D.


D. Academic Module Outcomes.* The successful candidate will be able to:

1.explain turbine engine theory
2.explain high altitude airspace
3.explain jet transport navigation and approach procedure chart interpretation
4.describe air carrier aircraft flight guidance systems
5.explain the effects of high altitude physiology
6.conduct air carrier flight planning
7.describe high altitude weather
8.explain weather radar
9.describe severe weather avoidance procedures
10.describe aircraft icing, anti-icing, de-icing, and the possible consequences of airframe icing
11.explain FAR Part 121 - Certification and Operations: Domestic Flag and Supplemental Air Carriers and Commercial Operators of Large Aircraft
12.explain a jet transport flight management system
13.explain a jet transport engine monitoring system such as EICAS
14.explain air carrier operations procedures
15.explain air carrier safety programs and issues
16.describe and explain hydroplaning
17.explain wind shear avoidance
18.describe air carrier aircraft systems for an air carrier aircraft equipped with modern avionics.
19.describe jet transport aircraft emergency procedures
20.compute air carrier aircraft performance, weight and balance
21.describe appropriate pilot professional responsibility and ethics
22.explain the elements of good customer service
23.explain concepts of aviation safety, to include FOQA, ASAP, and SMS
24.apply crew resource management, crew concept procedures, and Line-Oriented Flight Training (LOFT) concepts in: an operational environment such as in a turbine transport category aircraft; or in a training environment using a transport category Simulator (level D), or transport category FTD (at least level 6). The device must be equipped with modern avionics (glass). Airline flows and procedures will be used. An upset training scenario is required. Flight into icing is required. At least 20 hours of instruction is required in the device.

*It is anticipated that these modules will be outsourced by the FAA to be developed, taught, and completion certificates awarded by the provider(s). All modules, with the exception of Module 24, should be offered in an on-line learning environment. It will be the pilot’s responsibility to accomplish these modules. Testing for module completion would be accomplished through an approved FAA Testing center.

USMCFLYR

So all of the other time building paths would be excluded - like ban towing, pipeline, fish spotting, check runs, etc...? This professional pilot experience would have to come from some type of passenger service?
Am I reading that part right?

USMCFLYR

Grumble

What school is going to hire anyone to give 100 hours of instruction? You can do that in a month. 100 hours of dual given and you're JUST starting to figure out HOW to instruct.

All ERAU Alumni, please write to the school and tell them how disgusted and embarrassed you are over them trying to subvert legislation to improve safety, in their own interest of profit.

You can find contacts here....

Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University Alumni - Contact Us

bozobigtop

After 12,000 hours of flight time and only 2700 hours of my flight time is as a first officer, I agree with you 100% percent.

pipe

ERAU = puppy mill

bozobigtop

Time in the caravan taught me that pilots that make bad decisions in the van also make bad decisions in other aircraft as well. The van will not forgive a pilot for not thinking, especially in icing.

dashtrash300

I would be glad to email Riddle if someone can help out with a template. I have never been good at expressing my opinions strongly and effectively. If someone can make a template for everyone to send just like for the CVR Bill.

bcrosier

Funny, plenty of people did just this 20+ years ago. Perhaps it had something to do with a worthwhile payoff after a few years of crap - something the industry had done it's very best to eliminate.

You are correct - very few are going to find the rewards worthwhile if the end of the line is left seat of an RJ earning $75K/annum.

PS- Could be a B-747, if the $$$ aren't there, no one worthwhile is going to want to do it...

forgot to bid

The bad decision is thinking the airplane would be as fun to fly as a C-172. It was more like flying a King Air 90 around with an engine out.



Although I shouldn't have flown jets prior to C208s. I just expected more. Like climb performance, ice protection while flying in the ice and to be able to see forward even in the rain. It had some good qualities here and there.

forgot to bid

Pipeline patrol pilots need immediately in Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi area. Position can expect to fly 20-30 hours per week. 26K to 50,000K per year. Must meet following minimum requirements: 500 TT Commercial Instrument. To apply, email resume to:
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Wow, thats more than some airline pilots want new hires to be paid.
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As to fish spotting, my understanding is that most boat operators want people who've spent time on the boat. Or at least this was the case in the early 1990s in the Chesapeake Bay. You got paid a % of what the boat made as incentive to find fish. Many of the airplanes were owned by the pilots, the 152 was choice because it was cheap. They were mostly lifers flying those planes and happy because that % could be rather lucrative.