lionflyer

It might seem old fashioned to some of the millennial riddle brats, but that’s the way it is. Jumpseating is a privilege and it’s common courtesy to ask the CA for a ride. Most of the time it’s “hello” (I D check) “welcome aboard”. And as the skipper, it’s nice to know someone is back there to help if needed.

labbats

Yeah I’m tired of saying please pass the salt and thank you for doing the dishes to my wife. So tiresome and antiquated. I’ll just stop.

FloridaLarry

IMHO, this attitude contributes - if somewhat distantly - to the decrease in civility, mutual respect, and general politeness in our society.

How would you feel if your wife didn't thank you for doing the dishes? When (and if ) you do them.

SFA320

The only reason you have the seat is BECAUSE of the agreement. If you got the seat because of a jumpseat agreement, you should check in. I’ve never once felt like I was wasting anyones time doing so, quite the opposite actually.
As a commuter the last few years some of these post and attitudes are very concerning.
We had two jumpseaters awarded seats in the back the other day, our A flight attendant asked if they checked in. They had not, Capt and I had no clue. After everybody had boarded without our knowledge the FA used the PA and called them both up to the cockpit. Capt and I couldn’t stop laughing, was this necessary no, did it prove a great point? Yes!

Alexander12

Haha oh man you have me in stitches

sailingfun

You might just consider that but for a lot of effort on the part of those ancestors you deride you would not be riding the jumpseat at all. It’s common courtesy to check in.

crflyer

Unless I’m missing something, your sarcasm detector appears to be busted.

mainlineAF

The problem is when that same person jumpseats on the next flight and the captain goes ballistic because you didn’t check in.

Adlerdriver

Floobs, this has nothing to do with bending a knee or some kind of power trip. It's all about PIC authority and the continuing attempt by management, gate agents and other outside groups to diminish and undercut that authority. We continue to successfully defend it, but that's far more difficult to do when we willingly give it up through apathy or ignorance.

It appears you're at AA and not an ALPA carrier. Perhaps APA doesn't take the issue of PIC authority as seriously as ALPA, but it's a pretty big deal here. Maybe you don't jumpseat off line, but if you do so on ALPA carriers, you might want to reconsider your attitude. Here's a link to the ALPA jumpseat guide: http://www.jumpseatinfo.org/LinkClic...=1283&mid=3170

I don't know if there's a similar document published by APA, but I couldn't find it. I'll provide a few excerpts below for you to consider.

New technology and the integration of security and boarding systems and procedures have combined to hamper PIC authority regarding flight deck and cabin access by jumpseaters. Proper use of the flight deck jumpseat is a time-honored enhancement to safety and security that must remain under the control of the PIC. We urge all PICs to review and decide upon each jumpseat request and not delegate that authority to any other individual.

The PIC of the aircraft also serves as the In-Flight Security Coordinator (ISC) per TSA regulations. As a critical link in the security chain, captains have the responsibility to verify each jumpseater’s identity and authority to occupy a flight deck jumpseat. When a jumpseat request is made, whether for a seat in the cabin or in the flight deck, the PIC is responsible for performing the following procedures:

1. Verifying company ID by means of face/name match
2. Verifying FAA flight and medical certificates
3. Verifying Cockpit Access Security System (CASS) approval
4. Briefing the jumpseater on any relevant items.

Most, but not all, airlines allow multiple jumpseat riders when unoccupied cabin seats are available. By regulation, the captain makes the final decisions, not the gate agent or CASS. Due consideration of union affiliation may also be recognized when conflicts arise.

In other words - If you, Floobs, show up for a jumpseat on a UAL flight and it comes down to either you or a Delta guy getting the last seat on the aircraft, the Captain can (and should) pick the Delta ALPA member over you - regardless of who showed up at the gate first.

He doesn't get that chance to make that call unless he's in the loop and aware of who is riding on his aircraft. Number one, he needs to be proactive and not relinquish his authority like Deadseal pathetically plans to do if he upgrades. But, part of that is you having the expected courtesy of requesting the jumpseat and presenting your credentials for his approval.

Finally, there's this last excerpt:

Always ask the captain’s permission and offer thanks for the ride, even if given a seat assignment and occupying a cabin seat; never let an agent rush you past the cockpit without asking the captain’s permission. FARs require that the captain authorize you and know you are on board. Identify yourself as a jumpseater to the flight attendants when boarding. If in the cabin, protocol requires non-revenue passengers and jumpseaters to board last and also deplane last.

LNL76

Sigh....I guess common courtesy isn't common anymore!

The attitudes on here are mind-boggling!