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Old 10-26-2018, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
What about someone who posts on APC and basically admits they landed with a 20 kt tailwind. What a/c do you fly? Tailwind limits?

Not much point in asking for a wind check or using on board displays if you just end up ignoring them and landing anyway.
Q400 has 20kt tailwind limit, so .....
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Old 10-26-2018, 06:45 PM
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Performing my walk around the aircraft in ATL, no safety vest on because the aircraft doesn't have one and we don't have any extra available according to mx. Non-reving Delta FO boards while I'm outside, walks up front to tell the CA that I'm not wearing my safety vest.

This guy was the crown jewel of tools.
Next time just sit there until someone brings you a vest! Problem solved!
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Old 10-26-2018, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Milk Man View Post
Q400 has 20kt tailwind limit, so .....
so.......was dera flying a Q400? Doubt it. Also, the fact that an industry outlier, non-jet happens to have a higher TW limit is pretty much irrelevant.
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
so.......was dera flying a Q400? Doubt it. Also, the fact that an industry outlier, non-jet happens to have a higher TW limit is pretty much irrelevant.
I was flying a plane with no pre-set tailwind limit.

Instead of using the normal 1200ft of runway, I ended using around 2000ft. Still made the same exit. We had 7000ft left.
Also, I think I hit 90kts tire speed on touchdown, instead of the usual 70'ish.
I think we were okay.
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Did you land with a 20 knot tailwind?

Can you show me where it is prohibited?

I'd be more concerned about the jet that landed just before us.
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
so.......was dera flying a Q400? Doubt it. Also, the fact that an industry outlier, non-jet happens to have a higher TW limit is pretty much irrelevant.
It's got "jet like" speeds though!
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Old 10-27-2018, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
What about someone who posts on APC and basically admits they landed with a 20 kt tailwind. What a/c do you fly? Tailwind limits?

Not much point in asking for a wind check or using on board displays if you just end up ignoring them and landing anyway.
Asking for a wind check, finding out itís a tailwind and then continuing? Thatís not ignoring. Thatís getting data. Once you get outside of the US, a lot of airports are one way in, one way out. Sometimes this is due to terrain or lack of an Insteument approach, restricted areas or weather. My home airport regularly has a 20-40 kt tailwind, transitioning to a 10-15 kt headwind below 1000í agl, a lot of terrain and thermals. Also, there are hostile neighbors on 2 sides. Thanks for your flight instructor expertise though Maverick.
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Old 10-27-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
I was flying a plane with no pre-set tailwind limit.

Instead of using the normal 1200ft of runway, I ended using around 2000ft. Still made the same exit. We had 7000ft left.
Also, I think I hit 90kts tire speed on touchdown, instead of the usual 70'ish.
I think we were okay.
Ok – no set tailwind limit. My bad. I assumed you were operating a 121 jet. Got it. Sounds like you’re not flying 121.
Every one of the transport category jets I’ve flown (4 Boeings, 2 Airbus and the MD-11) all have specific tailwind and crosswind limits in the flight manual (some even have headwind limits in the case of autoland). So, that’s where it’s prohibited for operators of those aircraft. 777 tailwind limit is 15 knots. For you, I guess there is no limit other than what your landing data calculations provide. Maybe you don’t calculate landing data – sounds like you just decide after you land if you were okay by what taxiway you make. To each his own.

We don’t have the option to say – “Meh… made the same turn-off as I usually do, so we’re fine.” If the winds are out of limits, we don’t land.
Someone wants a wind check, have at it. Personally, I’ve always taken them with a grain of salt. Flying into our old Asia hub in Subic Bay, the tower was notorious for giving us the winds we “needed” to land in the preferred direction. Luckily, we have an on-board display that I find far more helpful than what the tower is calling. If it’s showing an out of limits tailwind when I get over the numbers, then it’s time to go around regardless of what the tower is telling me.

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Old 10-27-2018, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
Once you get outside of the US, a lot of airports are one way in, one way out. Sometimes this is due to terrain or lack of an Insteument approach, restricted areas or weather. My home airport regularly has a 20-40 kt tailwind, transitioning to a 10-15 kt headwind below 1000’ agl, a lot of terrain and thermals. Also, there are hostile neighbors on 2 sides. Thanks for your flight instructor expertise though Maverick.
Oh.. wow. Tell me more about this "outside the US" you speak of. And "hostile neighbors".... I think I peed myself a little just typing it.

Look you clown. If your company allows you to ignore manufacturer flight manual ops limits and do whatever you want, then have at it. I don't have that option nor did any other 121 airlines I worked for.

Regardless of thermals or tailwinds that turn to headwinds - If I'm looking at more than a 15 knot tailwind when I cross the threshold, I'm not allowed to land. I value my job, my license and the safety of our crew far more than being able to come on to APC and try to impress everyone with my war stories of crazy winds and scary neighbors. I'm not interested in comparing war stories from another life. Now I get stuff from A to B safely while complying with the restrictions my employer and aircraft manufacturer have imposed on me.
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Old 10-27-2018, 06:58 PM
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Itís abundantly clear that posting on the ďtool of the dayĒ thread is an automatic entry into that same category. Regretfully, I have now posted on this thread.....but it was worth it to make a VERY valid point.
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