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Old 10-24-2018, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducttape View Post
Probably the hand over the flap lever.

Do what you want as the CA, but keep in mind how distracting that is for a newer FO who will likely fixate on “why is his hand there? Should I configure? Does he want me to configure?”

The “your leg, you fly” is great in theory, but placing your hand on the flap lever or gear handle to “avoid searching for the handle”
Is pretty obnoxious.
I don't just say "you fly" in the briefing, I try to make it clear during the flight that as long as we are not breaking the plane/rules, you can do what you want. I would never sit with my hand on the gear lever because (A320) that would be uncomfortable, I can easily keep my hand just behind the flap lever, so I don't or have to get my reading glasses out or set the parking brake by mistake. I really think (hope) that if you flew with me you would realize it wasn't a hint, if I really want you to extend the flaps I would just say "I think you need flaps".
Also on the short bus, 99% of the time guys ask for flaps as soon as they can, both on the way up and down, so not really any chance of it being taken as a hint.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
If their hand is in the flaps, I call for gear.
If their hand is on the gear, I call for flaps.

It’s a matter of principle.
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Old 10-25-2018, 03:56 AM
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I asked a CA why he kept his hand on the flap lever.
He said: “So I can find it if I need to.”
I asked him if he ever had trouble finding the flap lever.
He said: “No, just my hand.”
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Old 10-25-2018, 04:52 AM
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Performing my walk around the aircraft in ATL, no safety vest on because the aircraft doesn't have one and we don't have any extra available according to mx. Non-reving Delta FO boards while I'm outside, walks up front to tell the CA that I'm not wearing my safety vest.

This guy was the crown jewel of tools.
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Old 10-25-2018, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jpso View Post
Performing my walk around the aircraft in ATL, no safety vest on because the aircraft doesn't have one and we don't have any extra available according to mx. Non-reving Delta FO boards while I'm outside, walks up front to tell the CA that I'm not wearing my safety vest.

This guy was the crown jewel of tools.
Did you get grounded, or just a stern talking to?
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Old 10-25-2018, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Duckdude View Post
Did you get grounded, or just a stern talking to?
I received a proper spanking first and was then told I was grounded.

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Old 10-25-2018, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jpso View Post
Performing my walk around the aircraft in ATL, no safety vest on because the aircraft doesn't have one and we don't have any extra available according to mx. Non-reving Delta FO boards while I'm outside, walks up front to tell the CA that I'm not wearing my safety vest.

This guy was the crown jewel of tools.
Welcome to the ATL.
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Old 10-25-2018, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jpso View Post
Performing my walk around the aircraft in ATL, no safety vest on because the aircraft doesn't have one and we don't have any extra available according to mx. Non-reving Delta FO boards while I'm outside, walks up front to tell the CA that I'm not wearing my safety vest.

This guy was the crown jewel of tools.
Atlanta seems to be a cultivating ground for wanna be management types.

Sounds like he needs the same talk I have with my three year old about tattletales.
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007 View Post
Atlanta seems to be a cultivating ground for wanna be management types.

Sounds like he needs the same talk I have with my three year old about tattletales.
atl atc... “hey sprit since when are you not allowed to accept LAHSO? we didn’t get this information here nor did anyone of my colleagues nationally. Just curious why all of a sudden for the change right now?” Fo “ the skipper said he has worked here 14 years and never been able to do them.” Heard a few other strange things lately from 380 to taxiway Dixie.
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian View Post
I can easily keep my hand just behind the flap lever, so I don't or have to get my reading glasses out or set the parking brake by mistake.
If you really can't differentiate between turning the parking brake t-handle 90-degreees or the flap handle "lift to move fore and aft" motion, I think there are bigger issues involved than poor CRM. Maybe if you actually need glasses to differentiate between various actuators, you should be wearing them.
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