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Sluggo_63 08-04-2012 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by N9373M (Post 1240202)
He does bring up a valid point. MOA's are (VFR world) "see and avoid", and if he was not talking to anyone, he could fly right on through, oblivious. Maybe there was a NOTAM?

Being alive certainly trumps being legal.

Not to split hairs, but he was trying to fly through a Warning Area, not a MOA. Right at the beginning (0:10), the controller says "...there's stuff going on in the Warning Area..." The pilot is the one who keeps calling it a MOA, which it isn't.

pilot0987 08-04-2012 07:27 PM

He doesn't every week though! So he knows better than anyone else. I think the military just got a new target during their training.

crewdawg 08-04-2012 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by N9373M (Post 1240202)
Being alive certainly trumps being legal

+1

If he only knew...

Sluggo_63 08-04-2012 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 1240284)
+1

If he only knew...

It's funny how the only guys screaming "I can fly through it if I want and you can't stop me" are the guys who have never actually operated in a MOA. Every military pilot who I know who also fly GA NEVER fly through an active MOA.

I also avoid the ones around UPT bases like the plague... you never know when a solo T-38 stud is going to come blitzing 10 NM out the side of a MOA at 350 knots and 6.5 G's looking for his IP lead just to avoid calling "Two's Blind." Because then I... I mean the "anonymous student" would have had to buy a case of beer for the flight room and suffer untold embarrassment.

gloopy 08-04-2012 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY (Post 1240057)

TOTD: anyone who fines someone 25 bills for being a TOTD. Like that's really going to keep our babies safer.

N9373M 08-05-2012 01:46 AM


Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 (Post 1240268)
Not to split hairs, but he was trying to fly through a Warning Area, not a MOA. Right at the beginning (0:10), the controller says "...there's stuff going on in the Warning Area..." The pilot is the one who keeps calling it a MOA, which it isn't.

thanks for the correction. I only listened once. You could split that hair with a dull butter knife. Let me pull out the FAR/AIM and call AOPA Monday....... naah he's the tool.

If someone says don't touch that, it's hot (figuratively or literally), don't. :eek:

Hmmmmm, now the IFR in VMC routing around the hot MOA makes sense.

conquestdz 08-05-2012 06:24 AM

3-4-4. Warning Areas

A warning area is airspace of defined dimensions, extending from three nautical miles outward from the coast of the U.S., that contains activity that may be hazardous to nonparticipating aircraft. The purpose of such warning areas is to warn nonparticipating pilots of the potential danger. A warning area may be located over domestic or international waters or both.

ysslah 08-05-2012 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Merlyn (Post 1240068)
Anyone who asks me where baggage claim is. I got you to the airport, now you're on your own.

I had someone ask me where the baggage claim is in MDT. I mean it's not that big of an airport!

chrisreedrules 08-05-2012 06:38 AM

The guy arguing with ATC about the WA/MOA is just a typical weekend in FL. Soooo many weekend warriors in FL it isn't even funny. I cringe going into uncontrolled fields sometimes because I've had a number of close calls because of these idiots.

Slats 08-05-2012 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1240390)
The guy arguing with ATC about the WA/MOA is just a typical weekend in FL. Soooo many weekend warriors in FL it isn't even funny. I cringe going into uncontrolled fields sometimes because I've had a number of close calls because of these idiots.

Yes, but he had AOPAs legal department backing him up :rolleyes:


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