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Old 01-07-2013 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
Are you serious? So next time I walk off the plane so upset that I'm shaking, I should just take that the guy was teaching me something. I'm sure you've never read back a clearance wrong either. Keep in mind that none of the others had me this upset before, and several months later, when I flew with him again, we had the exact same problems...
He's the moron for not understanding that ATL doesn't tell you a runway with the clearance- it is dependent off your RNAV SID.

Some guys are just wound too tight and forget that it's a two pilot operation. A favorite pastime of mine in a situation like that is to press the guys buttons. You know what makes him mad, so just... help him get there and enjoy the show!
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Old 01-07-2013 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
I was a fairly new FO and at the beginning of a 4 day, my CA briefs on APU starting after we land at each station. In other words, which station to start the APU and which ones to not. Well there's no way remember any of this, so on 1st landing I simply ask him again if he wants the APU on. Again I'm new and have no idea who has ground power and who doesn't. So he turns to me and asks "Do you remember the briefing I gave you about that?"
"Umm no, I got everything mixed up." So he huffs and reminds me that CVG is a no APU station. Got it!

Later in the trip we land in ATL. This is my first time in ATL as a pilot, ever! I called in our on and in times (no ACARS) and he yells at me for calling :33 instead of :36.
"Umm I didn't hear you say a thing to me about the times."
"Well I told you about 2 minutes ago. Aren't you listening?"

A few minutes later, I'm getting the clearance for our next leg. I was very careful to read the notes on the Jepps about how you only tell clearance your ramp and only read back the Squawk code. Well I slip up slightly but it was no big deal with ATC. The controller was very nice about it. Well then Mr. Toolbag asks me which runway he gave us...
"Umm, I have no idea" What airport gives us a runway in the clearance, I'm thinking? Again, I've never been to ATL. The guy didn't give a runway.
"He told you it was 8L."

So then he's had enough of me and lectures me about how I don't listen to anything. His briefings, how I should have read the Jepp pages on how to get the clearance in ATL. I was almost shaking at this point.

This was 5 years ago and I've learned not to take crap like that anymore.
Tell him to open his freaking Jepps and read. ATL clearance doesn't assign runways. It's RNAV departure dependent.

Originally Posted by 4runner
You mean the Captain expected you to know how to operate in a busy airport, minimize cost to the company, not sound like an asshat on the radio and maybe learn something while you're there???? Yeah.....what a tool... Being a big bad airline pilot is hard and they yell at you!
Maybe the CA should actually know what's going on? Perhaps he should know how to actually read his Jepp charts.
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Old 01-07-2013 | 05:45 PM
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Captains, instructors, people in leadership positions who don't take the time to train, mentor, instruct, etc, are tools. I've been doing this for a long time. The most effective method, by a landslide, is to take the time to do it right and lead by example. ATL is a different animal. I can understand why new guys are a little clueless.
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Old 01-07-2013 | 06:53 PM
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I've found a lot of the captains who take the time to "train" their FO's are not the ones you want to listen to anyways!
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Old 01-07-2013 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
He's the moron for not understanding that ATL doesn't tell you a runway with the clearance- it is dependent off your RNAV SID.

Some guys are just wound too tight and forget that it's a two pilot operation. A favorite pastime of mine in a situation like that is to press the guys buttons. You know what makes him mad, so just... help him get there and enjoy the show!
As long as your past probation
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Old 01-07-2013 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sandlapper223
NO NO NO! Every FO should be a seasoned and polished professional! What is this? Airline academy?

All kidding aside though NU, the NO FLY list punishes who during line construction? That's right, the FO. It's a cruel system.
Only if the FO gives a crap about making more than min guarantee....
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Old 01-08-2013 | 05:28 AM
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These two are kind of similar-

Walking through the automated revolving door at the airport, the photosensor randomly caused the door to stop suddenly, and my FO to nearly collide with the glass. Tool pax behind me: "I hope you guys drive the plane better than that door!" Me (flatly): "I'm not driving this door. Neither is he." Tool pax: "Aww, I was just teasing!" Yeah, **** you. I don't know what you do for a living, but how about I show up at your office and harrass you every time you spill coffee on your shirt.

At the hotel continental breakfast, I'm looking all over the place for milk to put on my cereal. I finally find it in some random, counterintuitive location. Tool lady in the lobby: "I hope you can find your way around your cockpit better than that!" Me: "I fly the same airplane every day. I stay in a different hotel every night."
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Old 01-08-2013 | 06:15 AM
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The guy sitting next to me on a deadhead that was on his blackberry from about 18,000 feet. At gear extension i told him he should probably turn that off.
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Old 01-08-2013 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DelDah Capt


I always start a trip with a pair of these in my pocket. They give 'em away free at every crewbase lounge......priced specifically with pilots in mind.

As soon as I sit down at my deadhead seat (undoubtedly 37B) I make a big show of pulling them out and slowly rolling them between my two fingers and putting them in my ears. I then shove my face in a book or the copy of the USA Today with the "compliments of Hilton hotels" sticker on it. This display usually has the desired effect.

If I'm feeling particularly mischievous that day, right before I place the foamy plugs in I might turn to the Pax and say "My route is El Paso......and yes, sometimes I'm very afraid."


Works even better...
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Old 01-08-2013 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mephesto
Yeah, **** you. I don't know what you do for a living, but how about I show up at your office and harrass you every time you spill coffee on your shirt.
Somebody needs a Midol, I think!
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