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Old 02-29-2016 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
To the rest of the crew on a recent layover, but mostly my captain.

Captain and I were to DH a short leg later in the day and while on the van I asked him if he had reserved his seat for the DH leg yet. He replied something to the effect of "nope, I plan to just take the JS so the company can get an extra revenue pax aboard". After I choked down my bile, I mentioned that by doing so, he might be depriving a commuter of their ride to/from work. I didn't even bother mentioning how he was eroding hard won benefits in the contract or kow-towing to the company during section 6 negotiations since he's a through and through kool-aid drinker. He didn't seem overly concerned, and all the cat ranchers got on board praising what a good guy he was. Fortunately there were empty seats anyway and he ended up sitting in his contract approved seat. I guess in order to seal his tooldom and make up for not riding the jumpseat, after I had a fairly nice landing he proceeded to critique my landing technique for the entire taxi back to the ramp. I didn't believe we had guys like this when I flew with all the cool NYC captains, but ATL has really opened my eyes to why so many people (rightfully) think we're a group of such complete DBs.
So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).

You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?

For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?

One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

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Old 02-29-2016 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).

You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?

For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?

One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

CG
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Old 02-29-2016 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).

You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?

For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?

One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

CG
I've offered to sit up front on a positive space DH when a flight is oversold in the past. My first question is if there is anyone listed on the jumpseat or are any pilots trying to get on. If the answer is no, then I offer to sit up front under the condition they switch my seat just prior to close out. If that makes me a tool so be it.

I've had family members get on overbooked flights before because my fellow pilots were gracious enough to offer this courtesy before.

As far as critiquing another pilots performance, that is by far a toolish thing to do.
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Old 02-29-2016 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).
I reread my original post and unfortunately I have to eat crow and agree. It was not my intention to call all ATL guys tools but that is definitely what I did. I did not properly proof-read my post and apologize. Again, that was not my intent but there is no debating that is what I typed. That said, you don't get a free pass...

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?
Calling somebody a tool is the same as reporting FAR violations to the FAA? How do you make that leap of logic? Where did I call anybody a union coward? How much of my post do you want to make up out of thin air? A strawman argument is a sure sign you don't really have much to say and you rip off 2 in a row. At least I use my name and former plane, how about you Mr. Internet Tough guy? Backstabber huh? Did you miss the part where I said I discussed this with my captain and had to listen to the FAs heap praise on him for thinking of the company first? I'm most certainly not hiding in the back of any bus. Anybody on APC who has flown with me knows who I am, what about you?

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?
I would do the same if it was for a nonrevver, but you weren't there were you? He made it clear that he did not care if a commuter got bumped, as long as DAL could make an extra buck in the back. Maybe you should take your great story and nominate yourself for cool of the day.

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

CG
Bring it on. At least I confronted my captain about it and discussed it with him face to face. Don't worry, I won't call you a tool behind your back I'll do it right here since you seem to be crying for the honor. We can share it for the day and tomorrow we can try to do better.
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Old 02-29-2016 | 04:22 PM
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Old 02-29-2016 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
I've offered to sit up front on a positive space DH when a flight is oversold in the past. My first question is if there is anyone listed on the jumpseat or are any pilots trying to get on. If the answer is no, then I offer to sit up front under the condition they switch my seat just prior to close out. If that makes me a tool so be it.

I've had family members get on overbooked flights before because my fellow pilots were gracious enough to offer this courtesy before.

As far as critiquing another pilots performance, that is by far a toolish thing to do.
I disagree with your last part. We debrief each flight and go over any threats, errors, things we could have done better. Each flight is an opportunity to improve. You might not have known you screwed up or are even aware of something you continuously do wrong but if it gets brought up after a regular flight debrief it might save you in a sim check, line check or FAA.

Now doing a debrief or critique on a taxi in is not the right time.
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Old 02-29-2016 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
I disagree with your last part. We debrief each flight and go over any threats, errors, things we could have done better. Each flight is an opportunity to improve. You might not have known you screwed up or are even aware of something you continuously do wrong but if it gets brought up after a regular flight debrief it might save you in a sim check, line check or FAA.

Now doing a debrief or critique on a taxi in is not the right time.
Airline pilots do not debrief every flight. If I flew with a captain who debriefed every flight over a four day I'd blow my brains out.
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Old 02-29-2016 | 05:23 PM
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Dude,

So this is a thread intended to be a place where people can post about people they deem toolish. Mike posted about a person he considered a tool and the toolish behavior that was exhibited. No names were mentioned, cause you know, its anonymous. He didn't give enough info for anyone to figure out the Capt's name.

You can disagree if you don't think the accusation of tooldoom stands up, but why the butthurt and name calling?
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Old 02-29-2016 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Dude,

So this is a thread intended to be a place where people can post about people they deem toolish. Mike posted about a person he considered a tool and the toolish behavior that was exhibited. No names were mentioned, cause you know, its anonymous. He didn't give enough info for anyone to figure out the Capt's name.

You can disagree if you don't think the accusation of tooldoom stands up, but why the butthurt and name calling?
Bingo. Sounds like feeling are hurt.
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Old 02-29-2016 | 05:47 PM
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I think that getting ****ed off at the Internet is toolish, but that's just me...


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