Firsttimeflyer

And I'm sure you never saw it, I haven't either until last month as it just changed and is now SOP and it SHALL be done per the FOM, as an informal debrief. Anybody that feels like challenging that is more than free to search on their iPad. If you aren't UAL, it isn't your problem now is it? I simply offered up what we do now, and you want to turn it into a ****ing match.

CheapTrick

Aviation sure attracts some strange agents.

Firsttimeflyer

Filler

captjns

Not for UAL.

Albief15

I'm a geek. I'm also a former F-15 guy, and that means even if you try not debrief a little alien baby will pop out of your stomach, grab a whiteboard and 4 pens and go to town while you bleed out if you don't say SOMETHING...(..haven't seen a perfect flight yet after 35 years plus of trying....)

Seriously--last item on our shutdown checklist is now "Debrief". The recommended "2 minute debrief" which I use is A) Anything unsafe? B) Anything non standard? and C) Any unanswered questions or concerns? 90% of the time there is nothing to discuss. The other 10% is usually pretty quick--about 2 minutes. It is sometimes deferred to van ride or hotel for breakfast/dinner.

If I was doing 5 legs a day in an -88 or 320, would I do this? Maybe not. When you get 2-4 landings a month doing long haul international, sometimes there are a few things worth mentioning...or asking. In my case I'm a new captain on a new jet in new theater...while some of the FOs have either operated here for 5-7 years or are walking in as former 767 captains from another carrier. Again...maybe that makes me a tool, but I usually gleam something from the debrief, short and sweet as it is....

And its a "requirement" anyway per our FOM/checklist. So I do it. I'm buying the beer anyway so if it kills someone to suffer through it they will soon have a libation to ease the suffering....

cardiomd

Just don't ask any of the FA's for a "2 minute de-brief" to see if "anything is non-standard." They might get the wrong idea.


Very surprised most majors wouldn't SOP a few seconds debrief, even if it isn't much more than a nod and discussion of any troubles. It is encouraged in medical field after cases, usually also is a 10 second "that was ok" or any discussion of any issues if any. Doesn't have to turn into a major M&M session.

cardiomd

Yes. The killfile is your friend.

Sputnik

I think it's more the internet in general and this thread in particular.

There's even an MD that comes on here to authoritatively lecture airline pilots about airline flying.

cencal83406

Debrief is a checklist item on the shutdown check at Delta subsidiary Endeavor Air. (My info is almost 2 years old though)

maddogmax

I always thought the "debrief" was held in the Captains room with a 12 pack of beer.