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03-01-2016 | 08:33 AM

#7911

Elliot

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Originally Posted by MikeF16

Please be forewarned, I have 2 short irony submissions, and I didn't tell either person that I was going to post about them here, my apologies in advance!

03-01-2016 | 08:36 AM

#7912

Herkflyr

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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

I disagree with your last part. We debrief each flight and go over any threats, errors, things we could have done better. Each flight is an opportunity to improve. You might not have known you screwed up or are even aware of something you continuously do wrong but if it gets brought up after a regular flight debrief it might save you in a sim check, line check or FAA.

Now doing a debrief or critique on a taxi in is not the right time.

i also used to frequently debrief stuff post flight--when I was in the military and we had formal debriefings, after either a training flight, exercise, or actual combat. Even then, we never debriefed after a "normal" transport flight.

In the airline world we never--NEVER--"debrief" following a routine flight. That would be mind-blowingly pointless.

Now if a checklist or a procedure had changed, and the other guy hadn't yet "gotten the memo" then yes, a quick reminder or pointer would be in order. If the landings were terrible all the time, and you know a good way to fix the issue, that MIGHT be a time to politely bring something up. There are no doubt other times when a little "hey don't forget that we are supposed to do such and such this way, and the company is really emphasizing that" might be called for.

But if we nitpicked every flight (up to five times a day) with "well your taxiing was a bit faster than ideal, work on your radio procedures, my technique is to call for the checklist at such and such a time, and why don't you think about doing the same?" we would all collectively go catatonic with the uber-stupidity of it all.

03-01-2016 | 09:08 AM

#7913

Justdoinmyjob

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Standard debrief is either, "Good Landing," or "That sucked!" The first one usually said to the FO, the second one usually a self critique.

03-01-2016 | 09:17 AM

#7914

Firsttimeflyer

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Originally Posted by captjns

Way too much nit picking if each and every flight needs to be debriefed other than the crappy crew meals, coffee, and of course lack of breadsticks on the meal tray. Boarder line OCD.

It's required. It can be as simple as "I think that flight went great", or could be a lot more in depth.

03-01-2016 | 09:20 AM

#7915

Firsttimeflyer

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Originally Posted by DeadHead

FTF,

I should have been more specific, I was referring to critiques/criticisms from a jumpseater/deadheading pilot. Unless something unsafe is happening, probably best to just sit there quietly.

Sorry, I thought you were referring to the landing critique on taxi in he mentioned.

03-01-2016 | 09:25 AM

#7916

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

It's required. It can be as simple as "I think that flight went great", or could be a lot more in depth.

In 16 years at Delta, this is the first time I've ever heard it's required. Not saying it isn't, but you got some source material to back that assertion up?

03-01-2016 | 09:26 AM

#7917

Firsttimeflyer

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Originally Posted by PotatoChip

Airline pilots do not debrief every flight. If I flew with a captain who debriefed every flight over a four day I'd blow my brains out.

We do. If you interview here please feel free to let them know your opinion on the subject.

03-01-2016 | 09:27 AM

#7918

Firsttimeflyer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

In 16 years at Delta, this is the first time I've ever heard it's required. Not saying it isn't, but you got some source material to back that assertion up?

UAL. Just changed to a requirement

03-01-2016 | 09:35 AM

#7919

captjns

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

It's required. It can be as simple as "I think that flight went great", or could be a lot more in depth.

Gee... Let me check my FOMs, COMs, CAMs collection going back some 37 years... Hmmm... U.S.? Nope... Asia? Nope... Euroland? Nope... Central and South America? Nope. "Required" not in any of them FTF.

In any of your's FTF? If so, can you cite your airline, company's chapter, section, and page?