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Old 02-28-2016, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
To the rest of the crew on a recent layover, but mostly my captain.

Captain and I were to DH a short leg later in the day and while on the van I asked him if he had reserved his seat for the DH leg yet. He replied something to the effect of "nope, I plan to just take the JS so the company can get an extra revenue pax aboard". After I choked down my bile, I mentioned that by doing so, he might be depriving a commuter of their ride to/from work. I didn't even bother mentioning how he was eroding hard won benefits in the contract or kow-towing to the company during section 6 negotiations since he's a through and through kool-aid drinker. He didn't seem overly concerned, and all the cat ranchers got on board praising what a good guy he was. Fortunately there were empty seats anyway and he ended up sitting in his contract approved seat. I guess in order to seal his tooldom and make up for not riding the jumpseat, after I had a fairly nice landing he proceeded to critique my landing technique for the entire taxi back to the ramp. I didn't believe we had guys like this when I flew with all the cool NYC captains, but ATL has really opened my eyes to why so many people (rightfully) think we're a group of such complete DBs.
I had that happen once. Relatively decent landing, taxi in the entire way is all critique. But karma strikes as the next leg was his and he slammed it on in relatively good conditions. It happens, I get it, but given the circumstances it was funny. Dead quiet taxi in, and not a single comment on landing after that for the rest of the trip.
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Old 02-28-2016, 12:26 PM
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I had that happen once. Relatively decent landing, taxi in the entire way is all critique. But karma strikes as the next leg was his and he slammed it on in relatively good conditions. It happens, I get it, but given the circumstances it was funny. Dead quiet taxi in, and not a single comment on landing after that for the rest of the trip.
I was more focused on the JS DBery than the landing critique. I've had my fair share of plants, just so happens none with this guy. I'm sure you know the type, every decision you make or method you decide to use to get the job done, he's got a better way he'd like you to try. I probably spend 50% of my brain bytes trying to come up with ways to do something differently when he suggests something I'd planned on doing anyway (I've sadly had to endure this guy 3x in the last 2 months, he's on reserve so no avoid pilot XXX).
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:04 PM
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Kharma would have been: The CA is denied the JS due to a higher priority rider, the flight winds up oversold, and he misses his DH.
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Old 02-29-2016, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
To the rest of the crew on a recent layover, but mostly my captain.

Captain and I were to DH a short leg later in the day and while on the van I asked him if he had reserved his seat for the DH leg yet. He replied something to the effect of "nope, I plan to just take the JS so the company can get an extra revenue pax aboard". After I choked down my bile, I mentioned that by doing so, he might be depriving a commuter of their ride to/from work. I didn't even bother mentioning how he was eroding hard won benefits in the contract or kow-towing to the company during section 6 negotiations since he's a through and through kool-aid drinker. He didn't seem overly concerned, and all the cat ranchers got on board praising what a good guy he was. Fortunately there were empty seats anyway and he ended up sitting in his contract approved seat. I guess in order to seal his tooldom and make up for not riding the jumpseat, after I had a fairly nice landing he proceeded to critique my landing technique for the entire taxi back to the ramp. I didn't believe we had guys like this when I flew with all the cool NYC captains, but ATL has really opened my eyes to why so many people (rightfully) think we're a group of such complete DBs.
Or perhaps some non rev from his own company, would have had the opportunity to actually get on the aircraft, instead of an OAL commuter. Wouldn't regard him as a tool, but certainly not thinking outside of his box.
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Old 02-29-2016, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
To the rest of the crew on a recent layover, but mostly my captain.

Captain and I were to DH a short leg later in the day and while on the van I asked him if he had reserved his seat for the DH leg yet. He replied something to the effect of "nope, I plan to just take the JS so the company can get an extra revenue pax aboard". After I choked down my bile, I mentioned that by doing so, he might be depriving a commuter of their ride to/from work. I didn't even bother mentioning how he was eroding hard won benefits in the contract or kow-towing to the company during section 6 negotiations since he's a through and through kool-aid drinker. He didn't seem overly concerned, and all the cat ranchers got on board praising what a good guy he was. Fortunately there were empty seats anyway and he ended up sitting in his contract approved seat. I guess in order to seal his tooldom and make up for not riding the jumpseat, after I had a fairly nice landing he proceeded to critique my landing technique for the entire taxi back to the ramp. I didn't believe we had guys like this when I flew with all the cool NYC captains, but ATL has really opened my eyes to why so many people (rightfully) think we're a group of such complete DBs.
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Old 02-29-2016, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
To the rest of the crew on a recent layover, but mostly my captain.

Captain and I were to DH a short leg later in the day and while on the van I asked him if he had reserved his seat for the DH leg yet. He replied something to the effect of "nope, I plan to just take the JS so the company can get an extra revenue pax aboard". After I choked down my bile, I mentioned that by doing so, he might be depriving a commuter of their ride to/from work. I didn't even bother mentioning how he was eroding hard won benefits in the contract or kow-towing to the company during section 6 negotiations since he's a through and through kool-aid drinker. He didn't seem overly concerned, and all the cat ranchers got on board praising what a good guy he was. Fortunately there were empty seats anyway and he ended up sitting in his contract approved seat. I guess in order to seal his tooldom and make up for not riding the jumpseat, after I had a fairly nice landing he proceeded to critique my landing technique for the entire taxi back to the ramp. I didn't believe we had guys like this when I flew with all the cool NYC captains, but ATL has really opened my eyes to why so many people (rightfully) think we're a group of such complete DBs.
So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).

You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?

For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?

One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

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Old 02-29-2016, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc View Post
So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).

You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?

For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?

One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

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Old 02-29-2016, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc View Post
So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).

You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?

For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?

One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

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I've offered to sit up front on a positive space DH when a flight is oversold in the past. My first question is if there is anyone listed on the jumpseat or are any pilots trying to get on. If the answer is no, then I offer to sit up front under the condition they switch my seat just prior to close out. If that makes me a tool so be it.

I've had family members get on overbooked flights before because my fellow pilots were gracious enough to offer this courtesy before.

As far as critiquing another pilots performance, that is by far a toolish thing to do.
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Old 02-29-2016, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc View Post
So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).
I reread my original post and unfortunately I have to eat crow and agree. It was not my intention to call all ATL guys tools but that is definitely what I did. I did not properly proof-read my post and apologize. Again, that was not my intent but there is no debating that is what I typed. That said, you don't get a free pass...

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc View Post
You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?
Calling somebody a tool is the same as reporting FAR violations to the FAA? How do you make that leap of logic? Where did I call anybody a union coward? How much of my post do you want to make up out of thin air? A strawman argument is a sure sign you don't really have much to say and you rip off 2 in a row. At least I use my name and former plane, how about you Mr. Internet Tough guy? Backstabber huh? Did you miss the part where I said I discussed this with my captain and had to listen to the FAs heap praise on him for thinking of the company first? I'm most certainly not hiding in the back of any bus. Anybody on APC who has flown with me knows who I am, what about you?

Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc View Post
For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?
I would do the same if it was for a nonrevver, but you weren't there were you? He made it clear that he did not care if a commuter got bumped, as long as DAL could make an extra buck in the back. Maybe you should take your great story and nominate yourself for cool of the day.

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One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

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Bring it on. At least I confronted my captain about it and discussed it with him face to face. Don't worry, I won't call you a tool behind your back I'll do it right here since you seem to be crying for the honor. We can share it for the day and tomorrow we can try to do better.
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Old 02-29-2016, 04:22 PM
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